I would like to say that when we make blanket generalizations about recommendations - everybody loses- I start with the students. They guide me in helping them to meet current need - and after that- maybe they will be open to learning contingencies such as "what if. the power goes off and you need urgently to write to your senator.?" I have observed TVIs and RTs attempting to assist ("teach") O&M to their students - I feel certain that most of these professionals recognize, this is not something they do well- one 3-credit class where you learn to walk blindfolded without a cane- is not an effective intro to the actual O&M needs of LV and blind students, at any age. Grace From: AERNet <aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org> On Behalf Of HOLLINGER, KEVIN Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 9:01 AM To: Holly Kaczmarski <kaczmarskiholly58@gmail.com>; Brink-Chaney, Marcie A <MBrink-C@dmc.org> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org Subject: Re: [AERNet] No longer shortage of TVIs?? Holly, you mention providing Travel Training in your email... are you saying you are providing O&M instruction to adults as a TVI? Kevin _____ From: AERNet <aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org <mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org> > on behalf of Holly Kaczmarski <kaczmarskiholly58@gmail.com <mailto:kaczmarskiholly58@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 1:24:28 PM To: Brink-Chaney, Marcie A Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org <mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: Re: [AERNet] No longer shortage of TVIs?? This is why I do not work in the school system's as a TV I. There are too many rules and regulations and they are not teaching children properly, not teaching them to use a slate and stylus, not teaching them ZoomText and all the other technology items that they need to use in real life. I work with adults. I can teach them anything that I think they need to know and that includes slate and stylus, ZoomText, JAWS, and anything else that they need to know including Travel Training. Adults are often left out in the grand scheme of things, so I personally chose to work with adults, people usually over 55 or 60 years of age, who have lost vision due to medical issues or age-related conditions. I work for a private nonprofit agency and we teach people what they need to know not what the regulations say that we have to do. I agree with your comment on not showing a sighted student how to use a pencil and paper because they can always use technology. This is totally wrong, so blind and low-vision students must be taught to use a slate and stylus. I agree with you 100%. Holly Kaczmarski Columbia River services for the Blind and Visually Impaired Sent from my Verizon Wireless Samsung Galaxy S7 smartphone On Fri, Sep 14, 2018, 10:53 AM Brink-Chaney, Marcie A <MBrink-C@dmc.org <mailto:MBrink-C@dmc.org> > wrote: This brings up another couple of concerns of mine. I'm concerned that without enough TVI's there is the problem of expecting the TVI's who are currently working to make do and not be able to give significant instruction to each student. With the expanded core curriculum, it is not necessary for TVI's to just teach students to use technology. It is necessary for them to have the time to teach daily living skills, socialization skills... And that doesn't even cover that if a student could lose more vision and find that the use of Braille will be critical to be educated, TVI's may just teach them to use print because of the lack of time. Also, I have observed that students who are totally blind have not been taught to use a slate and stylus to write braille. Not every person can afford a Braille writer or a notetaker to write. To me, it's like saying that it is not necessary for a student who is sighted to learn to use a pencil or pen and paper because they can use a lap top computer or a tablet to write. And learning to use an abacus is learning to do math because it is not like using a calculator where you just enter in the numbers and don't actually do the math yourself. Do they even teach it any more? Also, I have found that low vision students have not been taught to use assistive technology such as Zoom Text because they have just been taught to use the magnification on their tablets. I am of the opinion that everyone should be taught to use anything that will make it easier to access the information they need to learn and to be successful in this world. Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT CATIS Visually Impaired Services University Health Center Detroit Receiving Hospital Detroit Medical Center Address: 4201 St. Antoine Detroit MI 48201 Phone: (313)745-4131 Email: mbrink-c@dmc.org <mailto:mbrink-c@dmc.org> -----Original Message----- From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org <mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org> ] On Behalf Of David Rosenkoetter Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 9:45 AM To: Patricia Rosen Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org <mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: Re: [AERNet] No longer shortage of TVIs?? While I'm a VRT student, I have classmates who are studying to be TVI's. So, this post is interesting to me. Patti, you mentioned whether or not school districts are accounting for their students havingCVI and if they are assuming technological advances can cover what TVI's have been doing for students. Unfortunately, it seems our public school systems seem to be in the mode of cost cutting, which really does them and their students all-around in. So, their not taking into considetration the amount of students with CVI would make sense. Or, some school systems may be tweeking their classifications of students. One of the dark downsides of cost cutting in education I s a school district's mindset toward minimalism. They will do just enough to handle the caseload of students with varying degrees of visual impairment so as to meet the "national standards" but nothing more. Unfortunately, that's happening across the board with all students as you probably know firsthand. Where the schools lack in understanding is how much more holistic your work is as TVI's. It's not just sitting with a student during a test or making sure stuff's gotten in adaptive formats. My understanding is that it involves communication with parents/other guardians along with students. It's providing a wrap-around network that will aid the student's cognative and behavioral livelihood as he/she progresses grade by grade toward independence in college or the workforce. Please, correct my assumptions here if I'm off-base. On 9/14/18, Patricia Rosen <pkowal52@gmail.com <mailto:pkowal52@gmail.com> > wrote: > Hi, Diane, not here in Westchester County NY. My school has not been > able to fill my position fully now that I'm retired. Children are > preschool age and multiply disabled, blind or/and visually impaired. > Anyone in NYC area interested? Reach out to me off list.Your note also > makes me wonder whether the children with CVI are being recognized, > and whether the schools are assuming that various technology created > for kids who can learn via vision can fill the bill. Looking forward > to upcoming posts! Patti > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:31 AM <dmoshenrose@ca.rr.com <mailto:dmoshenrose@ca.rr.com> > wrote: > >> 9-13-18 >> In the large urban school district in Southern California that I have >> taught in for many years, other teachers of the visually impaired for >> the last two years have been reassigned to other jobs in the district >> due to a decrease of students with visual impairments. The size of >> the school district overall is decreasing substantially also. Is this >> happening in other areas of the country? 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