This topic certainly has generated a lot of interesting discussion. May I suggest that a really good FVE/FVA should include examining acuity & ocular behaviors, ability to interpret what is presented and, in addition, visual skills as related to communication, social interaction, mobility and more. This does not mean that all aspects must be completed by one discipline but rather, the range of information needs to be examined as a whole, interpreted as a whole, and reported as a whole. To do otherwise is, to my mind and experience, fragmented. Such a transdisciplinary approach provides a comprehensive view of the individual versus a piecemeal view. I agree with C. Roman that assessing just ocular functioning is most unlikely to provide information regarding possible CVI. One of my daughters is an OT with the specialty training in low vision. That training was good regarding ocular functioning but did not prepare her regarding risk characteristics related to CVI. Mary Morse, Ph.D. Nashua, NH marymorsesped@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: aernet-request <aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org> To: aernet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Sent: Sun, Apr 9, 2017 12:49 am Subject: AERNet Digest, Vol 128, Issue 3 Send AERNet mailing list submissions to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org You can reach the person managing the list at aernet-owner@lists.aerbvi.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AERNet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: FVELMA (Jill C. Brown) 2. Re: FVELMA (carol green) 3. Re: FVELMA (Jill C. Brown) 4. Re: FVELMA (Amy Hadley) 5. Re: FVELMA (Christine Roman) 6. Re: FVELMA (HOLLINGER, KEVIN) 7. Re: FVELMA (carol green) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 19:54:56 -0500 From: "Jill C. Brown" <jillbrown1@mac.com> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> Cc: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>, AERNET <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>, carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA Message-ID: <CDBC953D-54EC-44CD-904E-E1C22DE86772@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LMAs can only be done with someone who has a teaching certification and VI certification. > On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:17 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: > > No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill > > William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS > Associate Professor of Special Education > Northern Illinois University > Department of SEED, CoE > 232A Graham Hall > DeKalb, IL 60115 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM > To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> > Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA > > Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. > With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. > Amy > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >> >> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >> William Penrod >> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >> <rsheffield@afb.net> >> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think that >> conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the purview of >> a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an authority on OTs, but >> I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. Penrod, >> Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education Northern >> Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, >> IL 60115 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Amy >> Hadley >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Carol, >>> >>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rebecca >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>> carol green >>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>> Thx, >>> Carol >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>> >>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>> >>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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Go to the same address to access the list archives. >> _______________________________________________ >> AERNet mailing list >> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org > > You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. > > To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. > > Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. > _______________________________________________ > AERNet mailing list > AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org > http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 19:37:41 -0600 From: carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> Cc: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>, "aernet@lists.aerbvi.org" <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA Message-ID: <73E54C8B-1F7B-4ADE-8605-484716A4AEFB@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I work with school children. Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? Carol Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: > > Dear All, I can live with that! Bill > > William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS > Associate Professor of Special Education > Northern Illinois University > Department of SEED, CoE > 232A Graham Hall > DeKalb, IL 60115 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM > To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> > Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA > > Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. > I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. > Amy > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >> >> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >> Bill >> >> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>> >>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>> >>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>> Amy >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>> William Penrod >>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Amy Hadley >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>> >>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Rebecca >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> carol green >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>> Thx, >>>>> Carol >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>> >>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>> >>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AERNet mailing list >>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>> >>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>> >>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>> >>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> AERNet mailing list >>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 21:57:14 -0500 From: "Jill C. Brown" <jillbrown1@mac.com> To: carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>, AERNET <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA Message-ID: <61091744-770B-4565-A337-1CEF73FEF9D7@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I would include it as one part of the FVE. I still would look at indoor/outdoor functioning. Visual functioning in daily familiar routines vs visual functioning with novel routines or environments. Look at visual motor and auditory skills as well as auditory/motor. Don?t forget the sense of smell, taste and touch. > On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:37 PM, carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I work with school children. > Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? > And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? > Carol > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >> >> Dear All, I can live with that! Bill >> >> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >> Associate Professor of Special Education >> Northern Illinois University >> Department of SEED, CoE >> 232A Graham Hall >> DeKalb, IL 60115 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM >> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. >> I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. >> Amy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>> >>> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >>> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >>> Bill >>> >>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >>> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>>> >>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>>> Amy >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> William Penrod >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Amy Hadley >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>>> >>>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Rebecca >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> carol green >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>>> Thx, >>>>>> Carol >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>> >>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>> >>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> >>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>> >>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>> >>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> >>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>> >>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>> >>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> >>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>> >>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>> >>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org > > You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. > > To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. > > Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. > _______________________________________________ > AERNet mailing list > AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org > http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 21:40:55 -0600 From: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> To: "Jill C. Brown" <jillbrown1@mac.com> Cc: carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com>, AERNET <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA Message-ID: <6DF06FEF-FC82-4C7F-BE8B-2425072DB1D9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I have used the CVI Range and included acuity and ocular behaviors-they do not have to be exclusive. Look at all environments possible and different times of day and lighting as well as environmental distractions. Amy Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Jill C. Brown <jillbrown1@mac.com> wrote: > > I would include it as one part of the FVE. I still would look at indoor/outdoor functioning. Visual functioning in daily familiar routines vs visual functioning with novel routines or environments. Look at visual motor and auditory skills as well as auditory/motor. Don?t forget the sense of smell, taste and touch. > > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:37 PM, carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I work with school children. >> Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? >> And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? >> Carol >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, I can live with that! Bill >>> >>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>> Associate Professor of Special Education >>> Northern Illinois University >>> Department of SEED, CoE >>> 232A Graham Hall >>> DeKalb, IL 60115 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM >>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. >>> I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. >>> Amy >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >>>> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >>>> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>>>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>>>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>>>> >>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>>>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>>>> Amy >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> William Penrod >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Amy Hadley >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Rebecca >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> carol green >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>>>> Thx, >>>>>>> Carol >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> >>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>> >>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>> >>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> >>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>> >>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>> >>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >> >> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >> >> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >> >> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >> _______________________________________________ >> AERNet mailing list >> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org > > > You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. > > To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. > > Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. > _______________________________________________ > AERNet mailing list > AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org > http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 12:28:17 -0400 From: Christine Roman <croman@cviresources.com> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> Cc: "Jill C. Brown" <jillbrown1@mac.com>, AERNET <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>, carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA Message-ID: <0953660A-D97B-4040-8353-82E2538B3F3C@cviresources.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The CVI Range is a reliable and valid (Newcomb, 2010) instrument used to assess the functional vision of individuals with CVI. It is generally a stand alone evaluation of the CVI characteristics. However, if the individual has a significant ocular issue (not strabismus, mild refractive error?), the ocular version may be helpful. It is important to think about the fact that in GENERAL, if a student has an anterior visual issue that is primary, the CVI would likely never be diagnosed. Christine Christine Roman, PhD CVI Resources 25 Deer Spring Lane Allison Park, PA 15101 412-559-4431 croman@cviresources.com > On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have used the CVI Range and included acuity and ocular behaviors-they do not have to be exclusive. > Look at all environments possible and different times of day and lighting as well as environmental distractions. > Amy > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Jill C. Brown <jillbrown1@mac.com> wrote: >> >> I would include it as one part of the FVE. I still would look at indoor/outdoor functioning. Visual functioning in daily familiar routines vs visual functioning with novel routines or environments. Look at visual motor and auditory skills as well as auditory/motor. Don?t forget the sense of smell, taste and touch. >> >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:37 PM, carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I work with school children. >>> Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? >>> And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? >>> Carol >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear All, I can live with that! Bill >>>> >>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>> Associate Professor of Special Education >>>> Northern Illinois University >>>> Department of SEED, CoE >>>> 232A Graham Hall >>>> DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM >>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. >>>> I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. >>>> Amy >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >>>>> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >>>>> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>>>>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>>>>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>>>>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>>>>> Amy >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> William Penrod >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>>>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>>>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>>>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>>>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>>>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Amy Hadley >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>>>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Rebecca >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> carol green >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>>>>> Thx, >>>>>>>> Carol >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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Go to the same address to access the list archives. > _______________________________________________ > AERNet mailing list > AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org > http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 18:40:08 +0000 From: "HOLLINGER, KEVIN" <Kevin.Hollinger@fhsdschools.org> To: Christine Roman <croman@cviresources.com> Cc: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>, AERNET <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>, "carol green" <mommygreen69@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA Message-ID: <F8ECFB89-27D6-4271-9981-9F3F1E3E93F7@fhsdschools.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Why is it that a kiddo cannot get range 9?10 for resolution in the area of light gazing/non-purposeful gaze? I have never been able to explain why that characteristic may be resolved but only gets ".5" credit. In addition to the rating scale there are other programs, such as Every Move Counts, which can be very valuable during initial or reevaluation. Kevin Kevin J. Hollinger COMS, M.A., M.Ed, NBCT FHSD Vision Program 636-851-6143 > On Apr 8, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Christine Roman <croman@cviresources.com> wrote: > > The CVI Range is a reliable and valid (Newcomb, 2010) instrument used to assess the functional vision of individuals with CVI. It is generally a stand alone evaluation of the CVI characteristics. However, if the individual has a significant ocular issue (not strabismus, mild refractive error?), the ocular version may be helpful. It is important to think about the fact that in GENERAL, if a student has an anterior visual issue that is primary, the CVI would likely never be diagnosed. > Christine > > Christine Roman, PhD > CVI Resources > 25 Deer Spring Lane > Allison Park, PA 15101 > 412-559-4431 > > > croman@cviresources.com > > > > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have used the CVI Range and included acuity and ocular behaviors-they do not have to be exclusive. >> Look at all environments possible and different times of day and lighting as well as environmental distractions. >> Amy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Jill C. Brown <jillbrown1@mac.com> wrote: >>> >>> I would include it as one part of the FVE. I still would look at indoor/outdoor functioning. Visual functioning in daily familiar routines vs visual functioning with novel routines or environments. Look at visual motor and auditory skills as well as auditory/motor. Don?t forget the sense of smell, taste and touch. >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:37 PM, carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I work with school children. >>>> Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? >>>> And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? >>>> Carol >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear All, I can live with that! Bill >>>>> >>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>> Northern Illinois University >>>>> Department of SEED, CoE >>>>> 232A Graham Hall >>>>> DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM >>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. >>>>> I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. >>>>> Amy >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >>>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >>>>>> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >>>>>> Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >>>>>> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >>>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>>>>>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>>>>>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>>>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>>>>>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>>>>>> Amy >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> William Penrod >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>>>>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>>>>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>>>>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>>>>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>>>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>>>>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Amy Hadley >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>>>>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Rebecca >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> carol green >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>>>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>>>>>> Thx, >>>>>>>>> Carol >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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Improper retention of this e-mail and any attachment(s) to this e-mail could subject you to legal action under pertinent federal and state statutes, and result in civil and criminal penalties. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 22:47:55 -0600 From: carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> To: "HOLLINGER, KEVIN" <Kevin.Hollinger@fhsdschools.org> Cc: Christine Roman <croman@cviresources.com>, Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>, AERNET <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA Message-ID: <10174EF3-74C6-4AB6-B7FB-878676BB00A1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear All, Thank you for your feedback. Have you ever had occasion to have completed a LMA when someone else did the FVE? If CVI is done as a stand alone FVE, wouldn't an ocular. FVE still need to precede a LMA? When conducting the FVE the student's performance gives information if I should consider the CVI range as well as how I will conduct the LMA. Carol Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2017, at 12:40 PM, HOLLINGER, KEVIN <Kevin.Hollinger@fhsdschools.org> wrote: > > Why is it that a kiddo cannot get range 9?10 for resolution in the area of light gazing/non-purposeful gaze? I have never been able to explain why that characteristic may be resolved but only gets ".5" credit. > In addition to the rating scale there are other programs, such as Every Move Counts, which can be very valuable during initial or reevaluation. > Kevin > > Kevin J. Hollinger > COMS, M.A., M.Ed, NBCT > FHSD Vision Program > 636-851-6143 > > >> On Apr 8, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Christine Roman <croman@cviresources.com> wrote: >> >> The CVI Range is a reliable and valid (Newcomb, 2010) instrument used to assess the functional vision of individuals with CVI. It is generally a stand alone evaluation of the CVI characteristics. However, if the individual has a significant ocular issue (not strabismus, mild refractive error?), the ocular version may be helpful. It is important to think about the fact that in GENERAL, if a student has an anterior visual issue that is primary, the CVI would likely never be diagnosed. >> Christine >> >> Christine Roman, PhD >> CVI Resources >> 25 Deer Spring Lane >> Allison Park, PA 15101 >> 412-559-4431 >> >> >> croman@cviresources.com >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have used the CVI Range and included acuity and ocular behaviors-they do not have to be exclusive. >>> Look at all environments possible and different times of day and lighting as well as environmental distractions. >>> Amy >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Jill C. Brown <jillbrown1@mac.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I would include it as one part of the FVE. I still would look at indoor/outdoor functioning. Visual functioning in daily familiar routines vs visual functioning with novel routines or environments. Look at visual motor and auditory skills as well as auditory/motor. Don?t forget the sense of smell, taste and touch. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:37 PM, carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I work with school children. >>>>> Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? >>>>> And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? >>>>> Carol >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear All, I can live with that! Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>>> Northern Illinois University >>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE >>>>>> 232A Graham Hall >>>>>> DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM >>>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. >>>>>> I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. >>>>>> Amy >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >>>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >>>>>>> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >>>>>>> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >>>>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>>>>>>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>>>>>>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>>>>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>>>>>>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>>>>>>> Amy >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> William Penrod >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>>>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>>>>>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>>>>>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>>>>>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>>>>>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>>>>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>>>>>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> Amy Hadley >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>>>>>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Rebecca >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>>> carol green >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>>>>>>> Thx, >>>>>>>>>> Carol >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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