Thanks, Janet, for saying this. I agree and I made this point on the AER survey we were sent recently. I appreciate the newsletter but just because an article mentions the word “blind” doesn’t mean it’s newsworthy, accurate, or appropriate. ELIA has been around for decades—it’s not a new code. There’s an article about it in JVIB in 1996—not research, by the way, just an “FYI” kind of thing. I remember seeing it at a conference in NYC in 1999. Not sure why it’s resurfaced again all of a sudden, but it’s been around for a while. —FM > On Apr 24, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Janet Barlow <jmbarlow@accessforblind.org> wrote: > > Thanks for your messages. > I'm glad to hear there's some discussion of guidelines for what's included in that Viewpoint posts (or I hope that's what you mean) because I've seen several articles on technology, etc. that seemed inappropriate for AER to be supporting or reporting, without including some caveats. I'm not sure who develops and 'approves' material sent out as AER's "viewpoint" but more editorial review and guidelines seem appropriate to me. > Janet > > On 4/24/2018 11:44 AM, Ike Presley wrote: >> Well friend and colleagues, I have jumped the gun and fired off an email before reading the rest of the articles in AER Viewpoint. It seems that they have also cited an article from Popular Science that brings out some other issues about ELIA. I have also been informed that a resolution on research ethics is being drafted for AER which will provide us some guidelines about what we provide in our organization’s publication. >> >> I hope my earlier message did not seem totally negative. As with most things there is a positive and a negative side and I would like to see our field discuss topics such as this, and the AER list is a great place to do it. >>

Those would be exactly my thoughts, as well. We discussed this in my advanced O&M class last night. Bill From: AERNet <aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org> On Behalf Of Carol Evans Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:54 PM To: Susan Langendonk <susanlangendonk@gmail.com> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org Subject: Re: [AERNet] AER and the ELIA Frames Touch Font It was the Moon Alphabet, and I'm older than you are! Carol On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Susan Langendonk <susanlangendonk@gmail.com<mailto:susanlangendonk@gmail.com>> wrote: I’m dating myself and can’t remember the name of an earlier tactile system, probably in the 70s or earlier. It was based on raised figures similar to this, but I don’t think it ever really took off. Today’s technology would make producing a simple alphabet like this easier, but I still wonder about the population that would be able to get this as a usable system. If people were able to create the raised symbols themselves, it would be easier for them to label and use daily. I can’t see this being really viable for lengthy reading. That’s the reason for contracted braille. Just a few of my thoughts. Susan On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM Ike Presley <ipresley@afb.net<mailto:ipresley@afb.net>> wrote: Well friend and colleagues, I have jumped the gun and fired off an email before reading the rest of the articles in AER Viewpoint. It seems that they have also cited an article from Popular Science that brings out some other issues about ELIA. I have also been informed that a resolution on research ethics is being drafted for AER which will provide us some guidelines about what we provide in our organization’s publication. I hope my earlier message did not seem totally negative. As with most things there is a positive and a negative side and I would like to see our field discuss topics such as this, and the AER list is a great place to do it. Ike Presley, TVI, CLVT, CATIS National Project Manager American Foundation for the Blind 739 W. Peachtree St. N.W., Suite 250 Atlanta, GA 30308 404-525-2303 www.afb.org<http://www.afb.org/> We're creating a future of no limits. Join us at www.afb.org/nolimits<http://www.afb.org/nolimits> [Title: Facebook icon]<https://www.facebook.com/americanfoundationfortheblind> [Title: Twitter icon] <http://www.twitter.com/afb1921> [Title: Pinterest icon] <http://www.pinterest.com/afb1921/> [Title: YouTube icon] <https://www.youtube.com/user/afb1921> [Title: Donate Now - Description: Click on this link to donate to AFB]<https://www.afb.org/donate.aspx?action=fullform#content> [Title: no limits logo - Description: The words "no limits" in print and braille]<http://www.afb.org/nolimits> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org>] On Behalf Of Ike Presley Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:02 AM To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: [AERNet] AER and the ELIA Frames Touch Font Hi All, I have noticed the “Product Showcase” below in the AER Viewpoint for the past couple of weeks. I am curious if anyone has had the opportunity to work with this tactile reading system. While I think it has some interesting potential, I have concerns about its effectiveness and the promoter’s use of inaccurate statistics on their website. A reporter form the Smithsonian interviewed me about ELIA. She asked if I knew anyone who had experience with this tactile reading system so I am reaching out to my colleagues in the field to see if anyone might help shed more light on the subject. Please read the article, visit their web site and let’s start a discussion about this topic. . PRODUCT SHOWCASE [Image removed by sender.]<http://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2038&&&http://engine.multibriefs.com/s/redirect/333019/142703/2570/35418249?key=ipresley@afb.net> Coming Soon - ELIA Frames Touch Font Kickstarter<http://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2039&&&http://engine.multibriefs.com/s/redirect/333019/142703/2570/35418249?key=ipresley@afb.net> The ELIA Frames Font, an alternative to braille for people who can’t read braille, will be launched through a Kickstarter Campaign in two weeks. Sign up for updates here<http://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2040&&&http://www.theeliaidea.com/new-blog/>. Or learn more about the ELIA Frames Font by clicking here<http://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2041&&&http://www.theELIAidea.com>. I am also somewhat concerned about AER promoting this Kickstarter Campaign. Is this something that our professional organization should be supporting without input from the membership? Thanks in advance for your input, Ike Ike Presley, TVI, CLVT, CATIS National Project Manager American Foundation for the Blind 739 W. 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