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Shelley Mack

Tue, Aug 8, 2017 3:49 PM

Suppose hypothetically a student who was receiving consultative services
from a TVI in a public school MH room has a change in placement. The
student will now attend a county DD school. The classroom teacher also just
happens to be licensed TVI. Can that teacher serve both roles? What would
that look like on the IEP?

Thanks,
Shelley Mack

Suppose hypothetically a student who was receiving consultative services from a TVI in a public school MH room has a change in placement. The student will now attend a county DD school. The classroom teacher also just happens to be licensed TVI. Can that teacher serve both roles? What would that look like on the IEP? Thanks, Shelley Mack

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William Penrod

Tue, Aug 8, 2017 4:03 PM

Shelly, a very interesting question. In theory, yes the TVI/DD teacher could serve two roles and be primary implementer for both, however, this is not very good practice even when the TVI role is consult only, in my opinion. Since it is a change in placement the IEP team must reconvene, but the current IEP stays in place until it does (2 weeks if memory serves).

These are just my thoughts and it has been 17 years since I actually sat in on an IEP meeting…so if anyone disagrees please feel free to set this old dinosaur straight.

Bill

William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE
232A Graham Hall
DeKalb, IL 60115

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Suppose hypothetically a student who was receiving consultative services from a TVI in a public school MH room has a change in placement. The student will now attend a county DD school. The classroom teacher also just happens to be licensed TVI. Can that teacher serve both roles? What would that look like on the IEP?
Thanks,
Shelley Mack

Shelly, a very interesting question. In theory, yes the TVI/DD teacher could serve two roles and be primary implementer for both, however, this is not very good practice even when the TVI role is consult only, in my opinion. Since it is a change in placement the IEP team must reconvene, but the current IEP stays in place until it does (2 weeks if memory serves). These are just my thoughts and it has been 17 years since I actually sat in on an IEP meeting…so if anyone disagrees please feel free to set this old dinosaur straight. Bill William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Mack Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:49 AM To: AER <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: [AERNet] classroom teacher TVI Suppose hypothetically a student who was receiving consultative services from a TVI in a public school MH room has a change in placement. The student will now attend a county DD school. The classroom teacher also just happens to be licensed TVI. Can that teacher serve both roles? What would that look like on the IEP? Thanks, Shelley Mack

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Sean Tikkun

Tue, Aug 8, 2017 6:00 PM

Shelly,

            We just had this discussion in one of my classes this summer. Since many are practicing teachers it was great to hear their professional point of view. It was our resolution that the same individual could provide those services, I’ve certainly ben both TVI & COMS for students in the past, but not ideal. Additionally it is critical that the teacher role is clearly delineated in the IEP. If a student moves or transitions the receiving district needs to know they need two distinct specialties I they don’t happen to have a dual powerhouse. It becomes cumbersome and redundant, but it is critical so that the student receives the appropriate services.
            The real dilemma is when we serve two masters in terms of need, our judgement may not be as clear with the mixed focus. It’s not a criticism, but just a fact. Its also true that the mixed skill set could create novel insight as well. Hope more discussion comes from this posting. I don’t think its cut and dry.

-Sean Tikkun

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Subject: [AERNet] classroom teacher TVI

Suppose hypothetically a student who was receiving consultative services from a TVI in a public school MH room has a change in placement. The student will now attend a county DD school. The classroom teacher also just happens to be licensed TVI. Can that teacher serve both roles? What would that look like on the IEP?
Thanks,
Shelley Mack

Shelly, We just had this discussion in one of my classes this summer. Since many are practicing teachers it was great to hear their professional point of view. It was our resolution that the same individual could provide those services, I’ve certainly ben both TVI & COMS for students in the past, but not ideal. Additionally it is critical that the teacher role is clearly delineated in the IEP. If a student moves or transitions the receiving district needs to know they need two distinct specialties I they don’t happen to have a dual powerhouse. It becomes cumbersome and redundant, but it is critical so that the student receives the appropriate services. The real dilemma is when we serve two masters in terms of need, our judgement may not be as clear with the mixed focus. It’s not a criticism, but just a fact. Its also true that the mixed skill set could create novel insight as well. Hope more discussion comes from this posting. I don’t think its cut and dry. -Sean Tikkun From: AERNet <aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org> on behalf of Shelley Mack <smackbrl@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 10:49 AM To: AER <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: [AERNet] classroom teacher TVI Suppose hypothetically a student who was receiving consultative services from a TVI in a public school MH room has a change in placement. The student will now attend a county DD school. The classroom teacher also just happens to be licensed TVI. Can that teacher serve both roles? What would that look like on the IEP? Thanks, Shelley Mack