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Olson, Paul H.
Wed, Nov 2, 2016 6:44 PM

Frances,

My awesome OT wife adapted a technique that has worked well with a number of students with visual impairment. There are so many variations to teach shoe tying that have been around for years, but this adaptation seems to work particularly well. This video could certainly be improved, but it shows the basic technique. With sighted kids she makes two dots with a marker on the left side lace and one dot on the right side lace as markers. With VI kids, she uses a needle and thread to make the dots tactile. You will see that she has the students bring the two markers together on the left side lace to form a loop first. Over time it becomes unnecessary to bring the markers together after muscle memory is in place, but it sure helps initially.  I am leaving out some critical information that my wife could explain better. It is very important that the marker dots be placed in a very specific way for each child. This is determined by having the child put his/her shoe on and then pulling the laces just tight enough after the first criss-cross is made.  The dots cannot be put on the laces by guessing. This is an important step that is customized for each student.

I will quit explaining and let you view the technique.  Good luck

https://youtu.be/YY2fGeX3tB0

Paul Olson
NDVS/SB

From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Frances Black
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:54 PM
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Subject: [AERNet] shoe tying

Any ideas for teaching shoe tying to a 8 year old child?  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  I had found a great source on line but can't locate it again.

Frances, My awesome OT wife adapted a technique that has worked well with a number of students with visual impairment. There are so many variations to teach shoe tying that have been around for years, but this adaptation seems to work particularly well. This video could certainly be improved, but it shows the basic technique. With sighted kids she makes two dots with a marker on the left side lace and one dot on the right side lace as markers. With VI kids, she uses a needle and thread to make the dots tactile. You will see that she has the students bring the two markers together on the left side lace to form a loop first. Over time it becomes unnecessary to bring the markers together after muscle memory is in place, but it sure helps initially. I am leaving out some critical information that my wife could explain better. It is very important that the marker dots be placed in a very specific way for each child. This is determined by having the child put his/her shoe on and then pulling the laces just tight enough after the first criss-cross is made. The dots cannot be put on the laces by guessing. This is an important step that is customized for each student. I will quit explaining and let you view the technique. Good luck https://youtu.be/YY2fGeX3tB0 Paul Olson NDVS/SB From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Frances Black Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:54 PM To: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: [AERNet] shoe tying Any ideas for teaching shoe tying to a 8 year old child? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I had found a great source on line but can't locate it again.
KP
Karen Palau
Wed, Nov 2, 2016 7:27 PM

It sounds rather easy, but could you explain it in a step-by-step manner because I'm totally blind? I would really appreciate it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Olson, Paul H. <polson@nd.govmailto:polson@nd.gov> wrote:

Frances,

My awesome OT wife adapted a technique that has worked well with a number of students with visual impairment. There are so many variations to teach shoe tying that have been around for years, but this adaptation seems to work particularly well. This video could certainly be improved, but it shows the basic technique. With sighted kids she makes two dots with a marker on the left side lace and one dot on the right side lace as markers. With VI kids, she uses a needle and thread to make the dots tactile. You will see that she has the students bring the two markers together on the left side lace to form a loop first. Over time it becomes unnecessary to bring the markers together after muscle memory is in place, but it sure helps initially.  I am leaving out some critical information that my wife could explain better. It is very important that the marker dots be placed in a very specific way for each child. This is determined by having the child put his/her shoe on and then pulling the laces just tight enough after the first criss-cross is made.  The dots cannot be put on the laces by guessing. This is an important step that is customized for each student.

I will quit explaining and let you view the technique.  Good luck

https://youtu.be/YY2fGeX3tB0

Paul Olson
NDVS/SB

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Subject: [AERNet] shoe tying

Any ideas for teaching shoe tying to a 8 year old child?  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  I had found a great source on line but can't locate it again.
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It sounds rather easy, but could you explain it in a step-by-step manner because I'm totally blind? I would really appreciate it. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Olson, Paul H. <polson@nd.gov<mailto:polson@nd.gov>> wrote: Frances, My awesome OT wife adapted a technique that has worked well with a number of students with visual impairment. There are so many variations to teach shoe tying that have been around for years, but this adaptation seems to work particularly well. This video could certainly be improved, but it shows the basic technique. With sighted kids she makes two dots with a marker on the left side lace and one dot on the right side lace as markers. With VI kids, she uses a needle and thread to make the dots tactile. You will see that she has the students bring the two markers together on the left side lace to form a loop first. Over time it becomes unnecessary to bring the markers together after muscle memory is in place, but it sure helps initially. I am leaving out some critical information that my wife could explain better. It is very important that the marker dots be placed in a very specific way for each child. This is determined by having the child put his/her shoe on and then pulling the laces just tight enough after the first criss-cross is made. The dots cannot be put on the laces by guessing. This is an important step that is customized for each student. I will quit explaining and let you view the technique. Good luck https://youtu.be/YY2fGeX3tB0 Paul Olson NDVS/SB From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Frances Black Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:54 PM To: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>> Subject: [AERNet] shoe tying Any ideas for teaching shoe tying to a 8 year old child? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I had found a great source on line but can't locate it again. You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>. Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. _______________________________________________ AERNet mailing list AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org
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Olson, Paul H.
Wed, Nov 2, 2016 7:36 PM

Hello Karen,

I will attempt to have my wife put this technique into a good description in the next few days. We have been talking about this for months.

Paul

From: Karen Palau [mailto:kapa3960@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 2:27 PM
To: Olson, Paul H. polson@nd.gov
Cc: Frances Black pbjgal1@gmail.com; AERNet aernet@lists.aerbvi.org
Subject: Re: [AERNet] Shoe tying

It sounds rather easy, but could you explain it in a step-by-step manner because I'm totally blind? I would really appreciate it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Olson, Paul H. <polson@nd.govmailto:polson@nd.gov> wrote:
Frances,

My awesome OT wife adapted a technique that has worked well with a number of students with visual impairment. There are so many variations to teach shoe tying that have been around for years, but this adaptation seems to work particularly well. This video could certainly be improved, but it shows the basic technique. With sighted kids she makes two dots with a marker on the left side lace and one dot on the right side lace as markers. With VI kids, she uses a needle and thread to make the dots tactile. You will see that she has the students bring the two markers together on the left side lace to form a loop first. Over time it becomes unnecessary to bring the markers together after muscle memory is in place, but it sure helps initially.  I am leaving out some critical information that my wife could explain better. It is very important that the marker dots be placed in a very specific way for each child. This is determined by having the child put his/her shoe on and then pulling the laces just tight enough after the first criss-cross is made.  The dots cannot be put on the laces by guessing. This is an important step that is customized for each student.

I will quit explaining and let you view the technique.  Good luck

https://youtu.be/YY2fGeX3tB0

Paul Olson
NDVS/SB

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Subject: [AERNet] shoe tying

Any ideas for teaching shoe tying to a 8 year old child?  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  I had found a great source on line but can't locate it again.
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Hello Karen, I will attempt to have my wife put this technique into a good description in the next few days. We have been talking about this for months. Paul From: Karen Palau [mailto:kapa3960@outlook.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 2:27 PM To: Olson, Paul H. <polson@nd.gov> Cc: Frances Black <pbjgal1@gmail.com>; AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: Re: [AERNet] Shoe tying It sounds rather easy, but could you explain it in a step-by-step manner because I'm totally blind? I would really appreciate it. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Olson, Paul H. <polson@nd.gov<mailto:polson@nd.gov>> wrote: Frances, My awesome OT wife adapted a technique that has worked well with a number of students with visual impairment. There are so many variations to teach shoe tying that have been around for years, but this adaptation seems to work particularly well. This video could certainly be improved, but it shows the basic technique. With sighted kids she makes two dots with a marker on the left side lace and one dot on the right side lace as markers. With VI kids, she uses a needle and thread to make the dots tactile. You will see that she has the students bring the two markers together on the left side lace to form a loop first. Over time it becomes unnecessary to bring the markers together after muscle memory is in place, but it sure helps initially. I am leaving out some critical information that my wife could explain better. It is very important that the marker dots be placed in a very specific way for each child. This is determined by having the child put his/her shoe on and then pulling the laces just tight enough after the first criss-cross is made. The dots cannot be put on the laces by guessing. This is an important step that is customized for each student. I will quit explaining and let you view the technique. Good luck https://youtu.be/YY2fGeX3tB0 Paul Olson NDVS/SB From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Frances Black Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:54 PM To: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>> Subject: [AERNet] shoe tying Any ideas for teaching shoe tying to a 8 year old child? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I had found a great source on line but can't locate it again. You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>. Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. _______________________________________________ AERNet mailing list AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org
LG
Leah Gerlach
Wed, Nov 2, 2016 7:39 PM

As a visually impaired mother and Girl Scout I taught my children to tie a shoe by teaching the first half of a square knot
Right lace over left and under the hole between the crossed laces and the shoe. Then  pull tight.
Then make two rabbit ears (loupes) one with each lace close to the first knot then put the left over the right loupe and draw it through the hole between the first knot and the cross of the two loupes and pull tight

This is a variation of the square knot
Right lace over the left lace and put the right end through the hole, pull tight, then  left over right and through makes a knot that is neat and tight. It works every time.  My grandkids have now learned the same method from their parents.

Leah Gerlach, M.S.
Rehabilitation Counselor, and Access Technology Specialist
[cid:image001.jpg@01D23516.E33DDA80]
at Deicke House
219 East Cole Avenue
Wheaton, IL 60187
P: 1-630-690-7115 ext. 122
F: 1-630-690-9037
www.spectrios.orghttp://www.spectrios.org/

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From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Karen Palau
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 2:27 PM
To: Olson, Paul H. polson@nd.gov
Cc: AERNet aernet@lists.aerbvi.org
Subject: Re: [AERNet] Shoe tying

It sounds rather easy, but could you explain it in a step-by-step manner because I'm totally blind? I would really appreciate it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Olson, Paul H. <polson@nd.govmailto:polson@nd.gov> wrote:
Frances,

My awesome OT wife adapted a technique that has worked well with a number of students with visual impairment. There are so many variations to teach shoe tying that have been around for years, but this adaptation seems to work particularly well. This video could certainly be improved, but it shows the basic technique. With sighted kids she makes two dots with a marker on the left side lace and one dot on the right side lace as markers. With VI kids, she uses a needle and thread to make the dots tactile. You will see that she has the students bring the two markers together on the left side lace to form a loop first. Over time it becomes unnecessary to bring the markers together after muscle memory is in place, but it sure helps initially.  I am leaving out some critical information that my wife could explain better. It is very important that the marker dots be placed in a very specific way for each child. This is determined by having the child put his/her shoe on and then pulling the laces just tight enough after the first criss-cross is made.  The dots cannot be put on the laces by guessing. This is an important step that is customized for each student.

I will quit explaining and let you view the technique.  Good luck

https://youtu.be/YY2fGeX3tB0

Paul Olson
NDVS/SB

From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Frances Black
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:54 PM
To: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.orgmailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>
Subject: [AERNet] shoe tying

Any ideas for teaching shoe tying to a 8 year old child?  Any thoughts would be appreciated.  I had found a great source on line but can't locate it again.
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As a visually impaired mother and Girl Scout I taught my children to tie a shoe by teaching the first half of a square knot Right lace over left and under the hole between the crossed laces and the shoe. Then pull tight. Then make two rabbit ears (loupes) one with each lace close to the first knot then put the left over the right loupe and draw it through the hole between the first knot and the cross of the two loupes and pull tight This is a variation of the square knot Right lace over the left lace and put the right end through the hole, pull tight, then left over right and through makes a knot that is neat and tight. It works every time. My grandkids have now learned the same method from their parents. Leah Gerlach, M.S. Rehabilitation Counselor, and Access Technology Specialist [cid:image001.jpg@01D23516.E33DDA80] at Deicke House 219 East Cole Avenue Wheaton, IL 60187 P: 1-630-690-7115 ext. 122 F: 1-630-690-9037 www.spectrios.org<http://www.spectrios.org/> Spread the Joy of Vision! Please make a donation to help children and adults with permanent vision loss. Call us or go to our website and click on Donate Now to make a donation. Thank you for your support! The information contained in this electronic mail transmittal is protected by law and is intended only for the use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this transmission is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution or duplication of its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmittal in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete the transmittal immediately. Thank you. From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Karen Palau Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 2:27 PM To: Olson, Paul H. <polson@nd.gov> Cc: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: Re: [AERNet] Shoe tying It sounds rather easy, but could you explain it in a step-by-step manner because I'm totally blind? I would really appreciate it. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Olson, Paul H. <polson@nd.gov<mailto:polson@nd.gov>> wrote: Frances, My awesome OT wife adapted a technique that has worked well with a number of students with visual impairment. There are so many variations to teach shoe tying that have been around for years, but this adaptation seems to work particularly well. This video could certainly be improved, but it shows the basic technique. With sighted kids she makes two dots with a marker on the left side lace and one dot on the right side lace as markers. With VI kids, she uses a needle and thread to make the dots tactile. You will see that she has the students bring the two markers together on the left side lace to form a loop first. Over time it becomes unnecessary to bring the markers together after muscle memory is in place, but it sure helps initially. I am leaving out some critical information that my wife could explain better. It is very important that the marker dots be placed in a very specific way for each child. This is determined by having the child put his/her shoe on and then pulling the laces just tight enough after the first criss-cross is made. The dots cannot be put on the laces by guessing. This is an important step that is customized for each student. I will quit explaining and let you view the technique. Good luck https://youtu.be/YY2fGeX3tB0 Paul Olson NDVS/SB From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Frances Black Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:54 PM To: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>> Subject: [AERNet] shoe tying Any ideas for teaching shoe tying to a 8 year old child? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I had found a great source on line but can't locate it again. You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>. Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. _______________________________________________ AERNet mailing list AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org