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Ely, Mindy
Fri, Feb 8, 2019 8:43 PM

Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs?

We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim?

Thanks!

Mindy

Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs
EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator
Illinois State University
Department of Special Education
Phone: 217-899-1193
www.eiviprofessionals.comhttp://www.eiviprofessionals.com
http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/
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Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs? We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim? Thanks! Mindy Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D. Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator Illinois State University Department of Special Education Phone: 217-899-1193 www.eiviprofessionals.com<http://www.eiviprofessionals.com> http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/ Find us on Facebook by searching Illinois State University, EL VISTA EL VISTA is supported by a grant from the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Special Education (H325K140108).
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Dennis Thurman
Fri, Feb 8, 2019 9:12 PM

So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children, lower the qualifications.  I hope
To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical personnel.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy msely@ilstu.edu wrote:

Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs?

We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim?

Thanks!
Mindy

Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs
EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator
Illinois State University
Department of Special Education
Phone: 217-899-1193
www.eiviprofessionals.com
http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/
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So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children, lower the qualifications. I hope To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical personnel. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edu> wrote: > > Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs? > > We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim? > > Thanks! > Mindy > > Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs > EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator > Illinois State University > Department of Special Education > Phone: 217-899-1193 > www.eiviprofessionals.com > http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/ > Find us on Facebook by searching Illinois State University, EL VISTA > > EL VISTA is supported by a grant from the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Special Education (H325K140108). > > You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. > > To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. > > Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. > _______________________________________________ > AERNet mailing list > AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org > http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org
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Katie Crawford
Fri, Feb 8, 2019 9:38 PM

Mindy-
That would be interesting to know. I think we have a high attrition rate in
Indiana. Many of the teachers are pushed into certification by their local
district because they need someone. Often they are more experienced
teachers that either retire soon or the teacher pushes back after a few
years because they are often doing dual roles and caseloads in both grown
beyond managable. Our School for the Blind also seems to have a lot come
and go. I don’t know if Indiana  State University has any data related to
this. Their program is just a certification program and professionally I
think it is a bandaid on the shortage problem in our state. I went through
the masters program at FSU (as well as the undergrad classes I hadn’t
taken) and it is a very different foundation.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 4:13 PM Dennis Thurman thurman60@gmail.com wrote:

So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children,
lower the qualifications.  I hope
To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical
personnel.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy msely@ilstu.edu wrote:

Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically
among TVIs?

We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure
requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that
untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is
truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim?

Thanks!

Mindy

Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs
EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator
Illinois State University
Department of Special Education
Phone: 217-899-1193
www.eiviprofessionals.com
http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/
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Katie Crawford
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Orientation and Mobility Specialist

Mindy- That would be interesting to know. I think we have a high attrition rate in Indiana. Many of the teachers are pushed into certification by their local district because they need someone. Often they are more experienced teachers that either retire soon or the teacher pushes back after a few years because they are often doing dual roles and caseloads in both grown beyond managable. Our School for the Blind also seems to have a lot come and go. I don’t know if Indiana State University has any data related to this. Their program is just a certification program and professionally I think it is a bandaid on the shortage problem in our state. I went through the masters program at FSU (as well as the undergrad classes I hadn’t taken) and it is a very different foundation. On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 4:13 PM Dennis Thurman <thurman60@gmail.com> wrote: > So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children, > lower the qualifications. I hope > To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical > personnel. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edu> wrote: > > Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically > among TVIs? > > > We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure > requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that > untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is > truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim? > > > Thanks! > > Mindy > > > Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs > EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator > Illinois State University > Department of Special Education > Phone: 217-899-1193 > www.eiviprofessionals.com > http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/ > Find us on Facebook by searching Illinois State University, EL VISTA > > EL VISTA is supported by a grant from the U.S. Department of Education's > Office of Special Education (H325K140108). > > You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and > Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. > > To post a message to all the list members, send an email to > aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. > > Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to > http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and > follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the > list archives. > _______________________________________________ > AERNet mailing list > AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org > http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org > > You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and > Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. > > To post a message to all the list members, send an email to > aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. > > Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to > http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and > follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the > list archives. > _______________________________________________ > AERNet mailing list > AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org > http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org > -- Katie Crawford Teacher/Consultant for Students who are Blind or Low Vision Orientation and Mobility Specialist
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HOLLINGER, KEVIN
Sun, Feb 10, 2019 3:09 PM

Good morning, I'm sharing a recent experience from MO b/c I was told the genesis of this proposal is to address the growing personnel shortages due to attrition and growing student/client populations. The Missouri Dept. of Elem and Sec. Education sought feedback to proposed modifications to the State Plan. I'm pasting a copy of a letter submitted by a large group of COMS, TVIs, Agency leadership, employers, etc. to the DESE. The proposed change included not requiring certification of O&Ms working in the school system.
I think some of the comments are applicable for your situation regarding TVIs, especially the fact that 35 other professions require some form of licensure or certification and if the DESE adopts this proposed revision, O&M would quite possibly be the only IDEA related service not requiring it. There were a number of other comments submitted by others which included:  1. Equitable pay for a Master's level O&M and a non-degreed, non-certified O&M; 2. Impact on those OMS who work 100% contratual;  3. trickle effect into other B/VI professions; 4. Should a non-certified B/VI professional be paid on the 'teacher salary schedule' or the 'therapist/consultant' schedule -- a HUGE discussion b/c non-certified staff typically fall into a seperate teacher retirement system often less robust.
Kevin

January 24, 2019

Special Education Compliance

Department of Elementary and Secondary Education    

P. O. Box 480        

Jefferson City, MO 65102-0480

Re: Proposed changes to the Missouri State Regulations Implementing Part B of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) Regulation VIII – Personnel Standards

Dear Special Education Compliance,

We are writing regarding the proposed changes to the Missouri State Plan regarding Orientation & Mobility (O&M) services and the professionals eligible to provide the services. We oppose the propose change regarding, “Current O&M services contract with Rehabilitation Services for the Blind based on acceptable combination of education, training, and experience to provide services.” Our primary reason for opposing this proposed change is due to the lack of certification required to provide O&M services in Missouri schools. You may have received other versions of this letter from other O&M Specialists, B/VI professionals, and/or parents and we whole-heartedly support the justifications below.

As you refer to Regulation VIII – Personnel Standards located on the DESE State Plan Part B website, you will see the proposed changes in RED print. We are advocating the State Plan require one and/or both of the available certifications in O&M and to eliminate the inclusion of “Current O&M services contract with Rehabilitation Services for the Blind based on acceptable combination of education, training, and experience to provide services.” We believe it is not wise for our students and families nor our profession to support acceptance of non-certified professionals as O&M service providers for the following reasons:

  1. The proposed changes do not require certification to work as an O&M Specialist in Missouri schools. Missouri does not offer a license for O&M Specialists, so the requirement of certification is critical. The DESE requires a license or certification for 35 other related professions providing General and/or Special Education to children in Missouri Schools so I ask, “Why should O&M Specialists not be required to seek, gain and maintain one or both available O&M certifications?”

Please refer to pages 99-104 in DESE’s current REGULATION VIII: PERSONNEL STANDARDS in Section A. PERSONNEL QUALIFICATIONS (34 CFR 300.156)https://dese.mo.gov/sites/default/files/RegulationVIIIPersonnelStandards.pdf to confirm how all other titles/professions require licensure and/or certification.

  1. We are concerned school districts will recruit and hire non-certified O&M Specialists, which, in time, will likely ‘water down’ our profession. Our students and families deserve services from highly-qualified professionals. Certification ensures professionals meet “entry level” competency standards, ethical service, commitment to consumers and stronger program outcomes. Certification also requires renewal and the renewal process establishes expectations for ongoing professional development through continued education, direct service provision, and a commitment to the field of O&M. Non-certified professionals do not require professional development and their practices are not officially governed by a Code of Ethics nor a governing body of professionals.

  2. The State Plan’s proposed changes do not recognize the National O&M Certification (NOMC) as an acceptable certification for service provision. The National Blindness Professional Certification Board (NBPCB) has offered NOMC since 2001 with approximately 150 certified professionals holding the NOMC credential. The ACVREP has offered certification since 2000 with approximately 3,000 certified professionals holding the COMS credential. The combined total of certified O&M Specialists likely exceeds 3,200 professionals. Orientation and Mobility Certification exists. It should be required for hiring.

  3. Rehabilitation Services for the Blind (RSB) does not require ACVREP and/or NOMC certification to qualify for employment as an O&M Specialist. A public job posting from Michael St. Julien, Assistant Deputy RSB Director, on 10-04-2018 cites the required qualifications for an O&M Specialist as:

“Graduation from an accredited four-year college or university with specialization in orientation and mobility, teaching the blind and visually impaired, rehabilitation teaching, special education, occupational therapy, physical therapy or closely related areas. (Specialization in other fields of study must be accompanied by a minimum of two years supervised experience in teaching blind and/or visually impaired persons).”

The RSB requires “two years of supervised experience in teaching blind and/or visually impaired persons,” but not only does RSB not require certification to serve clients, they do not stipulate a certified O&M Specialist must provide the supervision during internship. Furthermore, the experience does not stipulate the hours of supervision while other professional certification boards always provide a minimum hour expectation including demonstration of established professional competencies.

We firmly believe professionals working in our schools should hold certification through mastering clinical competencies, passing a comprehensive examination, and completing an internship under an NOMC and/or COMS.
5.  Finally, the proposed change states, “Rehabilitation Services for the Blind conducts a thorough review of potential applicants, which includes a review of educational background and relative experience, prior to issuing a contract to provide services. This change recognizes the legitimacy and benefit to the field of that review process,” and we disagree that this change benefits our field. We think this change minimizes the hard work, commitment and financial investment degreed and certified O&M Specialists make to achieve and maintain professional certification. We do not think “relative experience” should be substituted for enrolling and completing personnel preparation programs and internships supervised by ACVREP and/or NOMC O&M Specialists.

We conclude by stating we do not support the DESE hiring non-certified Math teachers, Chemistry teachers or Teachers of the Visually Impaired so why should we support non-certified O&M Specialists? We request that you reject the proposed change regarding the RSB stipulation and add NOMC as a possible certification required in addition to ACVREP certification.

On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edumailto:msely@ilstu.edu> wrote:

Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs?

We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim?

Thanks!

Mindy

Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs
EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator
Illinois State University
Department of Special Education
Phone: 217-899-1193
www.eiviprofessionals.comhttp://www.eiviprofessionals.com
http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/
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Good morning, I'm sharing a recent experience from MO b/c I was told the genesis of this proposal is to address the growing personnel shortages due to attrition and growing student/client populations. The Missouri Dept. of Elem and Sec. Education sought feedback to proposed modifications to the State Plan. I'm pasting a copy of a letter submitted by a large group of COMS, TVIs, Agency leadership, employers, etc. to the DESE. The proposed change included not requiring certification of O&Ms working in the school system. I think some of the comments are applicable for your situation regarding TVIs, especially the fact that 35 other professions require some form of licensure or certification and if the DESE adopts this proposed revision, O&M would quite possibly be the only IDEA related service not requiring it. There were a number of other comments submitted by others which included: 1. Equitable pay for a Master's level O&M and a non-degreed, non-certified O&M; 2. Impact on those OMS who work 100% contratual; 3. trickle effect into other B/VI professions; 4. Should a non-certified B/VI professional be paid on the 'teacher salary schedule' or the 'therapist/consultant' schedule -- a HUGE discussion b/c non-certified staff typically fall into a seperate teacher retirement system often less robust. Kevin January 24, 2019 Special Education Compliance Department of Elementary and Secondary Education     P. O. Box 480         Jefferson City, MO 65102-0480 Re: Proposed changes to the Missouri State Regulations Implementing Part B of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) Regulation VIII – Personnel Standards Dear Special Education Compliance, We are writing regarding the proposed changes to the Missouri State Plan regarding Orientation & Mobility (O&M) services and the professionals eligible to provide the services. We oppose the propose change regarding, “Current O&M services contract with Rehabilitation Services for the Blind based on acceptable combination of education, training, and experience to provide services.” Our primary reason for opposing this proposed change is due to the lack of certification required to provide O&M services in Missouri schools. You may have received other versions of this letter from other O&M Specialists, B/VI professionals, and/or parents and we whole-heartedly support the justifications below. As you refer to Regulation VIII – Personnel Standards located on the DESE State Plan Part B website, you will see the proposed changes in RED print. We are advocating the State Plan require one and/or both of the available certifications in O&M and to eliminate the inclusion of “Current O&M services contract with Rehabilitation Services for the Blind based on acceptable combination of education, training, and experience to provide services.” We believe it is not wise for our students and families nor our profession to support acceptance of non-certified professionals as O&M service providers for the following reasons: 1. The proposed changes do not require certification to work as an O&M Specialist in Missouri schools. Missouri does not offer a license for O&M Specialists, so the requirement of certification is critical. The DESE requires a license or certification for 35 other related professions providing General and/or Special Education to children in Missouri Schools so I ask, “Why should O&M Specialists not be required to seek, gain and maintain one or both available O&M certifications?” Please refer to pages 99-104 in DESE’s current REGULATION VIII: PERSONNEL STANDARDS in Section A. PERSONNEL QUALIFICATIONS (34 CFR 300.156)<https://dese.mo.gov/sites/default/files/RegulationVIIIPersonnelStandards.pdf> to confirm how all other titles/professions require licensure and/or certification. 2. We are concerned school districts will recruit and hire non-certified O&M Specialists, which, in time, will likely ‘water down’ our profession. Our students and families deserve services from highly-qualified professionals. Certification ensures professionals meet “entry level” competency standards, ethical service, commitment to consumers and stronger program outcomes. Certification also requires renewal and the renewal process establishes expectations for ongoing professional development through continued education, direct service provision, and a commitment to the field of O&M. Non-certified professionals do not require professional development and their practices are not officially governed by a Code of Ethics nor a governing body of professionals. 3. The State Plan’s proposed changes do not recognize the National O&M Certification (NOMC) as an acceptable certification for service provision. The National Blindness Professional Certification Board (NBPCB) has offered NOMC since 2001 with approximately 150 certified professionals holding the NOMC credential. The ACVREP has offered certification since 2000 with approximately 3,000 certified professionals holding the COMS credential. The combined total of certified O&M Specialists likely exceeds 3,200 professionals. Orientation and Mobility Certification exists. It should be required for hiring. 4. Rehabilitation Services for the Blind (RSB) does not require ACVREP and/or NOMC certification to qualify for employment as an O&M Specialist. A public job posting from Michael St. Julien, Assistant Deputy RSB Director, on 10-04-2018 cites the required qualifications for an O&M Specialist as: “Graduation from an accredited four-year college or university with specialization in orientation and mobility, teaching the blind and visually impaired, rehabilitation teaching, special education, occupational therapy, physical therapy or closely related areas. (Specialization in other fields of study must be accompanied by a minimum of two years supervised experience in teaching blind and/or visually impaired persons).” The RSB requires “two years of supervised experience in teaching blind and/or visually impaired persons,” but not only does RSB not require certification to serve clients, they do not stipulate a certified O&M Specialist must provide the supervision during internship. Furthermore, the experience does not stipulate the hours of supervision while other professional certification boards always provide a minimum hour expectation including demonstration of established professional competencies. We firmly believe professionals working in our schools should hold certification through mastering clinical competencies, passing a comprehensive examination, and completing an internship under an NOMC and/or COMS. 5. Finally, the proposed change states, “Rehabilitation Services for the Blind conducts a thorough review of potential applicants, which includes a review of educational background and relative experience, prior to issuing a contract to provide services. This change recognizes the legitimacy and benefit to the field of that review process,” and we disagree that this change benefits our field. We think this change minimizes the hard work, commitment and financial investment degreed and certified O&M Specialists make to achieve and maintain professional certification. We do not think “relative experience” should be substituted for enrolling and completing personnel preparation programs and internships supervised by ACVREP and/or NOMC O&M Specialists. We conclude by stating we do not support the DESE hiring non-certified Math teachers, Chemistry teachers or Teachers of the Visually Impaired so why should we support non-certified O&M Specialists? We request that you reject the proposed change regarding the RSB stipulation and add NOMC as a possible certification required in addition to ACVREP certification. On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edu<mailto:msely@ilstu.edu>> wrote: Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs? We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim? Thanks! Mindy Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D. Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator Illinois State University Department of Special Education Phone: 217-899-1193 www.eiviprofessionals.com<http://www.eiviprofessionals.com> http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/ Find us on Facebook by searching Illinois State University, EL VISTA EL VISTA is supported by a grant from the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Special Education (H325K140108). You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>. 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Michelle Clyne
Sun, Feb 10, 2019 8:06 PM

Kevin, thanks for sharing this letter.  This is such a challenging topic for so many states right now, we can all benefit from sharing information like this.

Michelle Clyne, IL


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Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition

Good morning, I'm sharing a recent experience from MO b/c I was told the genesis of this proposal is to address the growing personnel shortages due to attrition and growing student/client populations. The Missouri Dept. of Elem and Sec. Education sought feedback to proposed modifications to the State Plan. I'm pasting a copy of a letter submitted by a large group of COMS, TVIs, Agency leadership, employers, etc. to the DESE. The proposed change included not requiring certification of O&Ms working in the school system.
I think some of the comments are applicable for your situation regarding TVIs, especially the fact that 35 other professions require some form of licensure or certification and if the DESE adopts this proposed revision, O&M would quite possibly be the only IDEA related service not requiring it. There were a number of other comments submitted by others which included:  1. Equitable pay for a Master's level O&M and a non-degreed, non-certified O&M; 2. Impact on those OMS who work 100% contratual;  3. trickle effect into other B/VI professions; 4. Should a non-certified B/VI professional be paid on the 'teacher salary schedule' or the 'therapist/consultant' schedule -- a HUGE discussion b/c non-certified staff typically fall into a seperate teacher retirement system often less robust.
Kevin

January 24, 2019

Special Education Compliance

Department of Elementary and Secondary Education    

P. O. Box 480        

Jefferson City, MO 65102-0480

Re: Proposed changes to the Missouri State Regulations Implementing Part B of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) Regulation VIII – Personnel Standards

Dear Special Education Compliance,

We are writing regarding the proposed changes to the Missouri State Plan regarding Orientation & Mobility (O&M) services and the professionals eligible to provide the services. We oppose the propose change regarding, “Current O&M services contract with Rehabilitation Services for the Blind based on acceptable combination of education, training, and experience to provide services.” Our primary reason for opposing this proposed change is due to the lack of certification required to provide O&M services in Missouri schools. You may have received other versions of this letter from other O&M Specialists, B/VI professionals, and/or parents and we whole-heartedly support the justifications below.

As you refer to Regulation VIII – Personnel Standards located on the DESE State Plan Part B website, you will see the proposed changes in RED print. We are advocating the State Plan require one and/or both of the available certifications in O&M and to eliminate the inclusion of “Current O&M services contract with Rehabilitation Services for the Blind based on acceptable combination of education, training, and experience to provide services.” We believe it is not wise for our students and families nor our profession to support acceptance of non-certified professionals as O&M service providers for the following reasons:

  1. The proposed changes do not require certification to work as an O&M Specialist in Missouri schools. Missouri does not offer a license for O&M Specialists, so the requirement of certification is critical. The DESE requires a license or certification for 35 other related professions providing General and/or Special Education to children in Missouri Schools so I ask, “Why should O&M Specialists not be required to seek, gain and maintain one or both available O&M certifications?”

Please refer to pages 99-104 in DESE’s current REGULATION VIII: PERSONNEL STANDARDS in Section A. PERSONNEL QUALIFICATIONS (34 CFR 300.156)https://dese.mo.gov/sites/default/files/RegulationVIIIPersonnelStandards.pdf to confirm how all other titles/professions require licensure and/or certification.

  1. We are concerned school districts will recruit and hire non-certified O&M Specialists, which, in time, will likely ‘water down’ our profession. Our students and families deserve services from highly-qualified professionals. Certification ensures professionals meet “entry level” competency standards, ethical service, commitment to consumers and stronger program outcomes. Certification also requires renewal and the renewal process establishes expectations for ongoing professional development through continued education, direct service provision, and a commitment to the field of O&M. Non-certified professionals do not require professional development and their practices are not officially governed by a Code of Ethics nor a governing body of professionals.

  2. The State Plan’s proposed changes do not recognize the National O&M Certification (NOMC) as an acceptable certification for service provision. The National Blindness Professional Certification Board (NBPCB) has offered NOMC since 2001 with approximately 150 certified professionals holding the NOMC credential. The ACVREP has offered certification since 2000 with approximately 3,000 certified professionals holding the COMS credential. The combined total of certified O&M Specialists likely exceeds 3,200 professionals. Orientation and Mobility Certification exists. It should be required for hiring.

  3. Rehabilitation Services for the Blind (RSB) does not require ACVREP and/or NOMC certification to qualify for employment as an O&M Specialist. A public job posting from Michael St. Julien, Assistant Deputy RSB Director, on 10-04-2018 cites the required qualifications for an O&M Specialist as:

“Graduation from an accredited four-year college or university with specialization in orientation and mobility, teaching the blind and visually impaired, rehabilitation teaching, special education, occupational therapy, physical therapy or closely related areas. (Specialization in other fields of study must be accompanied by a minimum of two years supervised experience in teaching blind and/or visually impaired persons).”

The RSB requires “two years of supervised experience in teaching blind and/or visually impaired persons,” but not only does RSB not require certification to serve clients, they do not stipulate a certified O&M Specialist must provide the supervision during internship. Furthermore, the experience does not stipulate the hours of supervision while other professional certification boards always provide a minimum hour expectation including demonstration of established professional competencies.

We firmly believe professionals working in our schools should hold certification through mastering clinical competencies, passing a comprehensive examination, and completing an internship under an NOMC and/or COMS.
5.  Finally, the proposed change states, “Rehabilitation Services for the Blind conducts a thorough review of potential applicants, which includes a review of educational background and relative experience, prior to issuing a contract to provide services. This change recognizes the legitimacy and benefit to the field of that review process,” and we disagree that this change benefits our field. We think this change minimizes the hard work, commitment and financial investment degreed and certified O&M Specialists make to achieve and maintain professional certification. We do not think “relative experience” should be substituted for enrolling and completing personnel preparation programs and internships supervised by ACVREP and/or NOMC O&M Specialists.

We conclude by stating we do not support the DESE hiring non-certified Math teachers, Chemistry teachers or Teachers of the Visually Impaired so why should we support non-certified O&M Specialists? We request that you reject the proposed change regarding the RSB stipulation and add NOMC as a possible certification required in addition to ACVREP certification.

On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edumailto:msely@ilstu.edu> wrote:

Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs?

We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim?

Thanks!

Mindy

Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs
EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator
Illinois State University
Department of Special Education
Phone: 217-899-1193
www.eiviprofessionals.comhttp://www.eiviprofessionals.com
http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/
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Kevin, thanks for sharing this letter. This is such a challenging topic for so many states right now, we can all benefit from sharing information like this. Michelle Clyne, IL ________________________________ From: AERNet <aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org> on behalf of HOLLINGER, KEVIN <Kevin.Hollinger@fhsdschools.org> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 9:09 AM To: Ely, Mindy Cc: AERNet Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition Good morning, I'm sharing a recent experience from MO b/c I was told the genesis of this proposal is to address the growing personnel shortages due to attrition and growing student/client populations. The Missouri Dept. of Elem and Sec. Education sought feedback to proposed modifications to the State Plan. I'm pasting a copy of a letter submitted by a large group of COMS, TVIs, Agency leadership, employers, etc. to the DESE. The proposed change included not requiring certification of O&Ms working in the school system. I think some of the comments are applicable for your situation regarding TVIs, especially the fact that 35 other professions require some form of licensure or certification and if the DESE adopts this proposed revision, O&M would quite possibly be the only IDEA related service not requiring it. There were a number of other comments submitted by others which included: 1. Equitable pay for a Master's level O&M and a non-degreed, non-certified O&M; 2. Impact on those OMS who work 100% contratual; 3. trickle effect into other B/VI professions; 4. Should a non-certified B/VI professional be paid on the 'teacher salary schedule' or the 'therapist/consultant' schedule -- a HUGE discussion b/c non-certified staff typically fall into a seperate teacher retirement system often less robust. Kevin January 24, 2019 Special Education Compliance Department of Elementary and Secondary Education     P. O. Box 480         Jefferson City, MO 65102-0480 Re: Proposed changes to the Missouri State Regulations Implementing Part B of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) Regulation VIII – Personnel Standards Dear Special Education Compliance, We are writing regarding the proposed changes to the Missouri State Plan regarding Orientation & Mobility (O&M) services and the professionals eligible to provide the services. We oppose the propose change regarding, “Current O&M services contract with Rehabilitation Services for the Blind based on acceptable combination of education, training, and experience to provide services.” Our primary reason for opposing this proposed change is due to the lack of certification required to provide O&M services in Missouri schools. You may have received other versions of this letter from other O&M Specialists, B/VI professionals, and/or parents and we whole-heartedly support the justifications below. As you refer to Regulation VIII – Personnel Standards located on the DESE State Plan Part B website, you will see the proposed changes in RED print. We are advocating the State Plan require one and/or both of the available certifications in O&M and to eliminate the inclusion of “Current O&M services contract with Rehabilitation Services for the Blind based on acceptable combination of education, training, and experience to provide services.” We believe it is not wise for our students and families nor our profession to support acceptance of non-certified professionals as O&M service providers for the following reasons: 1. The proposed changes do not require certification to work as an O&M Specialist in Missouri schools. Missouri does not offer a license for O&M Specialists, so the requirement of certification is critical. The DESE requires a license or certification for 35 other related professions providing General and/or Special Education to children in Missouri Schools so I ask, “Why should O&M Specialists not be required to seek, gain and maintain one or both available O&M certifications?” Please refer to pages 99-104 in DESE’s current REGULATION VIII: PERSONNEL STANDARDS in Section A. PERSONNEL QUALIFICATIONS (34 CFR 300.156)<https://dese.mo.gov/sites/default/files/RegulationVIIIPersonnelStandards.pdf> to confirm how all other titles/professions require licensure and/or certification. 2. We are concerned school districts will recruit and hire non-certified O&M Specialists, which, in time, will likely ‘water down’ our profession. Our students and families deserve services from highly-qualified professionals. Certification ensures professionals meet “entry level” competency standards, ethical service, commitment to consumers and stronger program outcomes. Certification also requires renewal and the renewal process establishes expectations for ongoing professional development through continued education, direct service provision, and a commitment to the field of O&M. Non-certified professionals do not require professional development and their practices are not officially governed by a Code of Ethics nor a governing body of professionals. 3. The State Plan’s proposed changes do not recognize the National O&M Certification (NOMC) as an acceptable certification for service provision. The National Blindness Professional Certification Board (NBPCB) has offered NOMC since 2001 with approximately 150 certified professionals holding the NOMC credential. The ACVREP has offered certification since 2000 with approximately 3,000 certified professionals holding the COMS credential. The combined total of certified O&M Specialists likely exceeds 3,200 professionals. Orientation and Mobility Certification exists. It should be required for hiring. 4. Rehabilitation Services for the Blind (RSB) does not require ACVREP and/or NOMC certification to qualify for employment as an O&M Specialist. A public job posting from Michael St. Julien, Assistant Deputy RSB Director, on 10-04-2018 cites the required qualifications for an O&M Specialist as: “Graduation from an accredited four-year college or university with specialization in orientation and mobility, teaching the blind and visually impaired, rehabilitation teaching, special education, occupational therapy, physical therapy or closely related areas. (Specialization in other fields of study must be accompanied by a minimum of two years supervised experience in teaching blind and/or visually impaired persons).” The RSB requires “two years of supervised experience in teaching blind and/or visually impaired persons,” but not only does RSB not require certification to serve clients, they do not stipulate a certified O&M Specialist must provide the supervision during internship. Furthermore, the experience does not stipulate the hours of supervision while other professional certification boards always provide a minimum hour expectation including demonstration of established professional competencies. We firmly believe professionals working in our schools should hold certification through mastering clinical competencies, passing a comprehensive examination, and completing an internship under an NOMC and/or COMS. 5. Finally, the proposed change states, “Rehabilitation Services for the Blind conducts a thorough review of potential applicants, which includes a review of educational background and relative experience, prior to issuing a contract to provide services. This change recognizes the legitimacy and benefit to the field of that review process,” and we disagree that this change benefits our field. We think this change minimizes the hard work, commitment and financial investment degreed and certified O&M Specialists make to achieve and maintain professional certification. We do not think “relative experience” should be substituted for enrolling and completing personnel preparation programs and internships supervised by ACVREP and/or NOMC O&M Specialists. We conclude by stating we do not support the DESE hiring non-certified Math teachers, Chemistry teachers or Teachers of the Visually Impaired so why should we support non-certified O&M Specialists? We request that you reject the proposed change regarding the RSB stipulation and add NOMC as a possible certification required in addition to ACVREP certification. On Feb 8, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edu<mailto:msely@ilstu.edu>> wrote: Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs? We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim? Thanks! Mindy Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D. Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator Illinois State University Department of Special Education Phone: 217-899-1193 www.eiviprofessionals.com<http://www.eiviprofessionals.com> http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/ Find us on Facebook by searching Illinois State University, EL VISTA EL VISTA is supported by a grant from the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Special Education (H325K140108). You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>. 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Mon, Feb 11, 2019 4:39 PM

Dumbing down standards never improves the profession.  Bill

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From: Dennis Thurman thurman60@gmail.com
Date: 2/8/19 4:12 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Ely, Mindy" msely@ilstu.edu
Cc: AERNet aernet@lists.aerbvi.org
Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition

So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children, lower the qualifications.  I hope
To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical personnel.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edumailto:msely@ilstu.edu> wrote:

Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs?

We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim?

Thanks!

Mindy

Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs
EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator
Illinois State University
Department of Special Education
Phone: 217-899-1193
www.eiviprofessionals.comhttp://www.eiviprofessionals.com
http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/
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Dumbing down standards never improves the profession. Bill Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Dennis Thurman <thurman60@gmail.com> Date: 2/8/19 4:12 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "Ely, Mindy" <msely@ilstu.edu> Cc: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children, lower the qualifications. I hope To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical personnel. Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edu<mailto:msely@ilstu.edu>> wrote: Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs? We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim? Thanks! Mindy Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D. Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator Illinois State University Department of Special Education Phone: 217-899-1193 www.eiviprofessionals.com<http://www.eiviprofessionals.com> http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/ Find us on Facebook by searching Illinois State University, EL VISTA EL VISTA is supported by a grant from the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Special Education (H325K140108). You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>. Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. _______________________________________________ AERNet mailing list AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org
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Dr Denise Robinson
Tue, Feb 12, 2019 12:18 PM

Dumbing down standards opens districts to more due process and major lawsuits that they will lose. I also feel for the teacher the districts 'made' a TVI who have no experience...what awful pressure.
Just sat in an IEP where at the end of the meeting the director told the parents they put in for emergency TVI status for their special ed teacher who knew nothing about it who was sitting in the meeting also. Teacher was just as stunned as the parents. How long do we think she will last? She is a great special ed teacher but now what....... no support and a huge new blind low vision caseload in the middle of the year....... what about the kids..... are they destined to the 74% unemployment rate now..... I know we have all seen this too many times...does not go well for either kids or teachers and you get very angry parents

Sent from Dr Denise M Robinson

On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:39 AM, a1632287 a1632287@mail.niu.edu wrote:

Dumbing down standards never improves the profession.  Bill

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Thurman thurman60@gmail.com
Date: 2/8/19 4:12 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Ely, Mindy" msely@ilstu.edu
Cc: AERNet aernet@lists.aerbvi.org
Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition

So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children, lower the qualifications.  I hope
To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical personnel.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy msely@ilstu.edu wrote:

Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs?

We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim?

Thanks!
Mindy

Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs
EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator
Illinois State University
Department of Special Education
Phone: 217-899-1193
www.eiviprofessionals.com
http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/
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Dumbing down standards opens districts to more due process and major lawsuits that they will lose. I also feel for the teacher the districts 'made' a TVI who have no experience...what awful pressure. Just sat in an IEP where at the end of the meeting the director told the parents they put in for emergency TVI status for their special ed teacher who knew nothing about it who was sitting in the meeting also. Teacher was just as stunned as the parents. How long do we think she will last? She is a great special ed teacher but now what....... no support and a huge new blind low vision caseload in the middle of the year....... what about the kids..... are they destined to the 74% unemployment rate now..... I know we have all seen this too many times...does not go well for either kids or teachers and you get very angry parents Sent from Dr Denise M Robinson > On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:39 AM, a1632287 <a1632287@mail.niu.edu> wrote: > > Dumbing down standards never improves the profession. Bill > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dennis Thurman <thurman60@gmail.com> > Date: 2/8/19 4:12 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: "Ely, Mindy" <msely@ilstu.edu> > Cc: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> > Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition > > So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children, lower the qualifications. I hope > To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical personnel. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edu> wrote: > >> Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs? >> >> We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim? >> >> Thanks! >> Mindy >> >> Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D. >> Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs >> EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator >> Illinois State University >> Department of Special Education >> Phone: 217-899-1193 >> www.eiviprofessionals.com >> http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/ >> Find us on Facebook by searching Illinois State University, EL VISTA >> >> EL VISTA is supported by a grant from the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Special Education (H325K140108). >> >> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >> >> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >> >> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >> _______________________________________________ >> AERNet mailing list >> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org > You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. > > To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. > > Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. > _______________________________________________ > AERNet mailing list > AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org > http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org
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Ely, Mindy
Tue, Feb 12, 2019 1:02 PM

Thank you for the comments on this thread. We would completely agree. As a state vision group we are preparing a rebuttal that speaks to the various knowledge and skills that an untrained individual is not equipped to provide. This puts the district at risk for not meeting federal mandates, but in the end it is bad for children and families.

Our state AER conference is this week and we will use this platform to make professionals in our states aware. In this way we are hoping to mobilize many voices to speak against the proposed reduction to licensure standards which were put forward by our state board in December.

The proposal will be open to public comment soon. Our vision leadership is writing a letter to the stare board but  we also want to help people prepare to make comments. Your input has been helpful in spurring our thinking as we write this important letter and prepare talking points.

Thank you,
Mindy Ely

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 6:18 AM Dr Denise Robinson yourtechvision@gmail.com wrote:
Dumbing down standards opens districts to more due process and major lawsuits that they will lose. I also feel for the teacher the districts 'made' a TVI who have no experience...what awful pressure.
Just sat in an IEP where at the end of the meeting the director told the parents they put in for emergency TVI status for their special ed teacher who knew nothing about it who was sitting in the meeting also. Teacher was just as stunned as the parents. How long do we think she will last? She is a great special ed teacher but now what....... no support and a huge new blind low vision caseload in the middle of the year....... what about the kids..... are they destined to the 74% unemployment rate now..... I know we have all seen this too many times...does not go well for either kids or teachers and you get very angry parents

Sent from Dr Denise M Robinson

On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:39 AM, a1632287 <a1632287@mail.niu.edumailto:a1632287@mail.niu.edu> wrote:

Dumbing down standards never improves the profession.  Bill

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

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Date: 2/8/19 4:12 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Ely, Mindy" <msely@ilstu.edumailto:msely@ilstu.edu>
Cc: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.orgmailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>
Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition

So...if we can?t place qualified professionals to serve our children, lower the qualifications.  I hope
To God these aren?t the same people who license pilots or medical personnel.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edumailto:msely@ilstu.edu> wrote:

Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs?

We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim?

Thanks!

Mindy

Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs
EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator
Illinois State University
Department of Special Education
Phone: 217-899-1193
www.eiviprofessionals.comhttp://www.eiviprofessionals.com
http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/
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Thank you for the comments on this thread. We would completely agree. As a state vision group we are preparing a rebuttal that speaks to the various knowledge and skills that an untrained individual is not equipped to provide. This puts the district at risk for not meeting federal mandates, but in the end it is bad for children and families. Our state AER conference is this week and we will use this platform to make professionals in our states aware. In this way we are hoping to mobilize many voices to speak against the proposed reduction to licensure standards which were put forward by our state board in December. The proposal will be open to public comment soon. Our vision leadership is writing a letter to the stare board but we also want to help people prepare to make comments. Your input has been helpful in spurring our thinking as we write this important letter and prepare talking points. Thank you, Mindy Ely On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 6:18 AM Dr Denise Robinson <yourtechvision@gmail.com> wrote: Dumbing down standards opens districts to more due process and major lawsuits that they will lose. I also feel for the teacher the districts 'made' a TVI who have no experience...what awful pressure. Just sat in an IEP where at the end of the meeting the director told the parents they put in for emergency TVI status for their special ed teacher who knew nothing about it who was sitting in the meeting also. Teacher was just as stunned as the parents. How long do we think she will last? She is a great special ed teacher but now what....... no support and a huge new blind low vision caseload in the middle of the year....... what about the kids..... are they destined to the 74% unemployment rate now..... I know we have all seen this too many times...does not go well for either kids or teachers and you get very angry parents Sent from Dr Denise M Robinson On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:39 AM, a1632287 <a1632287@mail.niu.edu<mailto:a1632287@mail.niu.edu>> wrote: Dumbing down standards never improves the profession. Bill Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Dennis Thurman <thurman60@gmail.com<mailto:thurman60@gmail.com>> Date: 2/8/19 4:12 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "Ely, Mindy" <msely@ilstu.edu<mailto:msely@ilstu.edu>> Cc: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition So...if we can?t place qualified professionals to serve our children, lower the qualifications. I hope To God these aren?t the same people who license pilots or medical personnel. Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edu<mailto:msely@ilstu.edu>> wrote: Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically among TVIs? We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim? Thanks! Mindy Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D. Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator Illinois State University Department of Special Education Phone: 217-899-1193 www.eiviprofessionals.com<http://www.eiviprofessionals.com> http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/ Find us on Facebook by searching Illinois State University, EL VISTA EL VISTA is supported by a grant from the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Special Education (H325K140108). You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>. Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. _______________________________________________ AERNet mailing list AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>. Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. _______________________________________________ AERNet mailing list AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org<mailto:AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org
SB
Sarah Bussey
Tue, Feb 12, 2019 1:28 PM

I see this all the time. My state is crawling with “TVIs”  who were once
amazing special education teachers!  On the rare occasion these teachers
are paired with a veteran TVI and truly get the guidance and support they
need but it is a while before they actually “get it”.
More often than not, these “TVIs”  are all alone in a district with a room
full of a equipment and materials with no idea where to start.  Endorsement
programs have been put into place to help provide  some sort of foundation…
But typically they are lacking.  The biggest downfall is the inability to
provide supervision over who mentors these teachers.  In some cases mentors
for new teachers have been teachers who completed their endorsement
coursework six months prior.

I will be honest when I say, some of the endorsed teachers are the type of
teachers who always take it to the next level by completing research,
attending conferences, and asking questions.  The majority… Are floundering
and they don’t even know it.  Advice provided is like a foreign language.
And then, you have a few who have what has been termed to me as a “Cush
job”  which translates to nothing being done appropriately for students
because the districts do not know what it looks like to serve children who
have visual impairments or how to supervise.

Now, I say all this fully recognizing there are issues with teachers who
have had appropriate training but have lost their excitement for the field
and are simply moseying through until retirement.

I have been asked to mentor teachers not associated with university
programs, and have declined as the time I would have with them would not be
nearly enough to fill the gaps. I just truly feel like we owe it to the
field to be more diligent in how we prepare teachers.  We also owe it to
these special education teachers who may have a chance at being amazing
teachers of the blind visually impaired to provide them with a strong
foundation and knowledge for serving students.

While I appreciate the individuals who are thinking outside the box of how
to fill vacancies and provide a  teacher.... emergency certificates and
watered down training is not the answer.  It’s  The equivalent to putting
a Mickey Mouse Band-Aid on a wound which requires staples.

Short cuts in teacher preparation means our students never have a chance
at rising to their full potential  and yet again become a statistic for
doctoral students.

Just my thoughts…
SB

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, Dr Denise Robinson yourtechvision@gmail.com
wrote:

Dumbing down standards opens districts to more due process and major
lawsuits that they will lose. I also feel for the teacher the districts
'made' a TVI who have no experience...what awful pressure.
Just sat in an IEP where at the end of the meeting the director told the
parents they put in for emergency TVI status for their special ed teacher
who knew nothing about it who was sitting in the meeting also. Teacher was
just as stunned as the parents. How long do we think she will last? She is
a great special ed teacher but now what....... no support and a huge new
blind low vision caseload in the middle of the year....... what about the
kids..... are they destined to the 74% unemployment rate now..... I know we
have all seen this too many times...does not go well for either kids or
teachers and you get very angry parents

Sent from Dr Denise M Robinson

On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:39 AM, a1632287 a1632287@mail.niu.edu wrote:

Dumbing down standards never improves the profession.  Bill

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Thurman thurman60@gmail.com
Date: 2/8/19 4:12 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Ely, Mindy" msely@ilstu.edu
Cc: AERNet aernet@lists.aerbvi.org
Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition

So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children,
lower the qualifications.  I hope
To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical
personnel.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy msely@ilstu.edu wrote:

Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically
among TVIs?

We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure
requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that
untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is
truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim?

Thanks!

Mindy

Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs
EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator
Illinois State University
Department of Special Education
Phone: 217-899-1193
www.eiviprofessionals.com
http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/
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Sarah D. Bussey
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist
Certified Teacher of Students with Vision Impairments
Certified Vision Rehabilitation Therapist

I see this all the time. My state is crawling with “TVIs” who were once amazing special education teachers! On the rare occasion these teachers are paired with a veteran TVI and truly get the guidance and support they need but it is a while before they actually “get it”. More often than not, these “TVIs” are all alone in a district with a room full of a equipment and materials with no idea where to start. Endorsement programs have been put into place to help provide some sort of foundation… But typically they are lacking. The biggest downfall is the inability to provide supervision over who mentors these teachers. In some cases mentors for new teachers have been teachers who completed their endorsement coursework six months prior. I will be honest when I say, some of the endorsed teachers are the type of teachers who always take it to the next level by completing research, attending conferences, and asking questions. The majority… Are floundering and they don’t even know it. Advice provided is like a foreign language. And then, you have a few who have what has been termed to me as a “Cush job” which translates to nothing being done appropriately for students because the districts do not know what it looks like to serve children who have visual impairments or how to supervise. Now, I say all this fully recognizing there are issues with teachers who have had appropriate training but have lost their excitement for the field and are simply moseying through until retirement. I have been asked to mentor teachers not associated with university programs, and have declined as the time I would have with them would not be nearly enough to fill the gaps. I just truly feel like we owe it to the field to be more diligent in how we prepare teachers. We also owe it to these special education teachers who may have a chance at being amazing teachers of the blind visually impaired to provide them with a strong foundation and knowledge for serving students. While I appreciate the individuals who are thinking outside the box of how to fill vacancies and provide a teacher.... emergency certificates and watered down training is not the answer. It’s The equivalent to putting a Mickey Mouse Band-Aid on a wound which requires staples. Short cuts in teacher preparation means our students never have a chance at rising to their full potential and yet again become a statistic for doctoral students. Just my thoughts… SB On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, Dr Denise Robinson <yourtechvision@gmail.com> wrote: > Dumbing down standards opens districts to more due process and major > lawsuits that they will lose. I also feel for the teacher the districts > 'made' a TVI who have no experience...what awful pressure. > Just sat in an IEP where at the end of the meeting the director told the > parents they put in for emergency TVI status for their special ed teacher > who knew nothing about it who was sitting in the meeting also. Teacher was > just as stunned as the parents. How long do we think she will last? She is > a great special ed teacher but now what....... no support and a huge new > blind low vision caseload in the middle of the year....... what about the > kids..... are they destined to the 74% unemployment rate now..... I know we > have all seen this too many times...does not go well for either kids or > teachers and you get very angry parents > > Sent from Dr Denise M Robinson > > On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:39 AM, a1632287 <a1632287@mail.niu.edu> wrote: > > Dumbing down standards never improves the profession. Bill > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dennis Thurman <thurman60@gmail.com> > Date: 2/8/19 4:12 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: "Ely, Mindy" <msely@ilstu.edu> > Cc: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> > Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition > > So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children, > lower the qualifications. I hope > To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical > personnel. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edu> wrote: > > Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically > among TVIs? > > > We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure > requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that > untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is > truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim? > > > Thanks! > > Mindy > > > Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs > EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator > Illinois State University > Department of Special Education > Phone: 217-899-1193 > www.eiviprofessionals.com > http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/ > Find us on Facebook by searching Illinois State University, EL VISTA > > EL VISTA is supported by a grant from the U.S. Department of Education's > Office of Special Education (H325K140108). > > You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and > Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. > > To post a message to all the list members, send an email to > aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. > > Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/ > mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to > unsubscribe. 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Bussey Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist Certified Teacher of Students with Vision Impairments Certified Vision Rehabilitation Therapist
PR
Patricia Rosen
Tue, Feb 12, 2019 1:56 PM

There is such a huge and continuous learning curve and variety of the
populations we serve. Even the Special Ed teacher who deals with children
with severe and profound disabilities woulf have to learn about CVI, a
major study all on its own, technology and adapting communication and
literacy. Abd then there is Braille and the misperception that technology
can replace the ability to read and write. The causes and impacts of visual
impairment are so varied. The educational programs that lead to
certification are vital to the need to keep learning as the knowledge about
visual impairment and blindness develops. If anything for some categories
of certification the mandated number of courses is abreky adequate. Let’s
make the field more attractive to new teachers instead of reducing
certification requirements. How about the districts cooperating to create
full time salaried teaching positions with benefits?

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 7:19 AM Dr Denise Robinson yourtechvision@gmail.com
wrote:

Dumbing down standards opens districts to more due process and major
lawsuits that they will lose. I also feel for the teacher the districts
'made' a TVI who have no experience...what awful pressure.
Just sat in an IEP where at the end of the meeting the director told the
parents they put in for emergency TVI status for their special ed teacher
who knew nothing about it who was sitting in the meeting also. Teacher was
just as stunned as the parents. How long do we think she will last? She is
a great special ed teacher but now what....... no support and a huge new
blind low vision caseload in the middle of the year....... what about the
kids..... are they destined to the 74% unemployment rate now..... I know we
have all seen this too many times...does not go well for either kids or
teachers and you get very angry parents

Sent from Dr Denise M Robinson

On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:39 AM, a1632287 a1632287@mail.niu.edu wrote:

Dumbing down standards never improves the profession.  Bill

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Thurman thurman60@gmail.com
Date: 2/8/19 4:12 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Ely, Mindy" msely@ilstu.edu
Cc: AERNet aernet@lists.aerbvi.org
Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition

So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children,
lower the qualifications.  I hope
To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical
personnel.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy msely@ilstu.edu wrote:

Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically
among TVIs?

We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure
requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that
untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is
truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim?

Thanks!

Mindy

Mindy S. Ely, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Low Vision/Blindness Programs
EL VISTA Project Co-Coordinator
Illinois State University
Department of Special Education
Phone: 217-899-1193
www.eiviprofessionals.com
http://education.illinoisstate.edu/cert_vision/
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There is such a huge and continuous learning curve and variety of the populations we serve. Even the Special Ed teacher who deals with children with severe and profound disabilities woulf have to learn about CVI, a major study all on its own, technology and adapting communication and literacy. Abd then there is Braille and the misperception that technology can replace the ability to read and write. The causes and impacts of visual impairment are so varied. The educational programs that lead to certification are vital to the need to keep learning as the knowledge about visual impairment and blindness develops. If anything for some categories of certification the mandated number of courses is abreky adequate. Let’s make the field more attractive to new teachers instead of reducing certification requirements. How about the districts cooperating to create full time salaried teaching positions with benefits? On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 7:19 AM Dr Denise Robinson <yourtechvision@gmail.com> wrote: > Dumbing down standards opens districts to more due process and major > lawsuits that they will lose. I also feel for the teacher the districts > 'made' a TVI who have no experience...what awful pressure. > Just sat in an IEP where at the end of the meeting the director told the > parents they put in for emergency TVI status for their special ed teacher > who knew nothing about it who was sitting in the meeting also. Teacher was > just as stunned as the parents. How long do we think she will last? She is > a great special ed teacher but now what....... no support and a huge new > blind low vision caseload in the middle of the year....... what about the > kids..... are they destined to the 74% unemployment rate now..... I know we > have all seen this too many times...does not go well for either kids or > teachers and you get very angry parents > > Sent from Dr Denise M Robinson > > On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:39 AM, a1632287 <a1632287@mail.niu.edu> wrote: > > Dumbing down standards never improves the profession. Bill > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dennis Thurman <thurman60@gmail.com> > Date: 2/8/19 4:12 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: "Ely, Mindy" <msely@ilstu.edu> > Cc: AERNet <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org> > Subject: Re: [AERNet] TVI Attrition > > So...if we can’t place qualified professionals to serve our children, > lower the qualifications. I hope > To God these aren’t the same people who license pilots or medical > personnel. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 8, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Ely, Mindy <msely@ilstu.edu> wrote: > > Does anyone know of research that speaks to attrition rates specifically > among TVIs? > > > We are preparing a rebuttal to a state proposal to reduce licensure > requirements to become a TVI. One argument we've considered is that > untrained TVIs could have higher attrition rates. Anyone know if there is > truth to this hypothesis or have something that could support our claim? > > > Thanks! > > Mindy > > > Mindy S. 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