Hi All,

I have noticed the "Product Showcase" below in the AER Viewpoint for the past couple of weeks. I am curious if anyone has had the opportunity to work with this tactile reading system. While I think it has some interesting potential, I have concerns about its effectiveness and the promoter's use of inaccurate statistics on their website. A reporter form the Smithsonian interviewed me about ELIA. She asked if I knew anyone who had experience with this tactile reading system so I am reaching out to my colleagues in the field to see if anyone might help shed more light on the subject.

Please read the article, visit their web site and let's start a discussion about this topic.

.

PRODUCT SHOWCASE

[http://engine.multibriefs.com/s/333019/142703/2570/35418249?keywords=AERBVI042418&key=ipresley@afb.net]http://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2038&&&http://engine.multibriefs.com/s/redirect/333019/142703/2570/35418249?key=ipresley@afb.net

Coming Soon - ELIA Frames Touch Font Kickstarterhttp://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2039&&&http://engine.multibriefs.com/s/redirect/333019/142703/2570/35418249?key=ipresley@afb.net

The ELIA Frames Font, an alternative to braille for people who can't read braille, will be launched through a Kickstarter Campaign in two weeks.

Sign up for updates herehttp://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2040&&&http://www.theeliaidea.com/new-blog/. Or learn more about the ELIA Frames Font by clicking herehttp://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2041&&&http://www.theELIAidea.com.

I am also somewhat concerned about AER promoting this Kickstarter Campaign. Is this something that our professional organization should be supporting without input from the membership?

Thanks in advance for your input,
Ike

Ike Presley, TVI, CLVT, CATIS
National Project Manager
American Foundation for the Blind
739 W. Peachtree St. N.W., Suite 250
Atlanta, GA 30308
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Well friend and colleagues, I have jumped the gun and fired off an email before reading the rest of the articles in AER Viewpoint. It seems that they have also cited an article from Popular Science that brings out some other issues about ELIA. I have also been informed that a resolution on research ethics is being drafted for AER which will provide us some guidelines about what we provide in our organization's publication.

I hope my earlier message did not seem totally negative. As with most things there is a positive and a negative side and I would like to see our field discuss topics such as this, and the AER list is a great place to do it.

Ike Presley, TVI, CLVT, CATIS
National Project Manager
American Foundation for the Blind
739 W. Peachtree St. N.W., Suite 250
Atlanta, GA 30308
404-525-2303
www.afb.orghttp://www.afb.org/
We're creating a future of no limits.
Join us at www.afb.org/nolimitshttp://www.afb.org/nolimits
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[Title: Donate Now - Description: Click on this link to donate to AFB]https://www.afb.org/donate.aspx?action=fullform#content

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From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Ike Presley
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:02 AM
To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org
Subject: [AERNet] AER and the ELIA Frames Touch Font

Hi All,

I have noticed the "Product Showcase" below in the AER Viewpoint for the past couple of weeks. I am curious if anyone has had the opportunity to work with this tactile reading system. While I think it has some interesting potential, I have concerns about its effectiveness and the promoter's use of inaccurate statistics on their website. A reporter form the Smithsonian interviewed me about ELIA. She asked if I knew anyone who had experience with this tactile reading system so I am reaching out to my colleagues in the field to see if anyone might help shed more light on the subject.

Please read the article, visit their web site and let's start a discussion about this topic.

.

PRODUCT SHOWCASE

[http://engine.multibriefs.com/s/333019/142703/2570/35418249?keywords=AERBVI042418&key=ipresley@afb.net]http://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2038&&&http://engine.multibriefs.com/s/redirect/333019/142703/2570/35418249?key=ipresley@afb.net

Coming Soon - ELIA Frames Touch Font Kickstarterhttp://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2039&&&http://engine.multibriefs.com/s/redirect/333019/142703/2570/35418249?key=ipresley@afb.net

The ELIA Frames Font, an alternative to braille for people who can't read braille, will be launched through a Kickstarter Campaign in two weeks.

Sign up for updates herehttp://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2040&&&http://www.theeliaidea.com/new-blog/. Or learn more about the ELIA Frames Font by clicking herehttp://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2041&&&http://www.theELIAidea.com.

I am also somewhat concerned about AER promoting this Kickstarter Campaign. Is this something that our professional organization should be supporting without input from the membership?

Thanks in advance for your input,
Ike

Ike Presley, TVI, CLVT, CATIS
National Project Manager
American Foundation for the Blind
739 W. Peachtree St. N.W., Suite 250
Atlanta, GA 30308
404-525-2303
www.afb.orghttp://www.afb.org/
We're creating a future of no limits.
Join us at www.afb.org/nolimitshttp://www.afb.org/nolimits
[Title: Facebook icon]https://www.facebook.com/americanfoundationfortheblind  [Title: Twitter icon] http://www.twitter.com/afb1921  [Title: Pinterest icon] http://www.pinterest.com/afb1921/  [Title: YouTube icon] https://www.youtube.com/user/afb1921
[Title: Donate Now - Description: Click on this link to donate to AFB]https://www.afb.org/donate.aspx?action=fullform#content

[Title: no limits logo - Description: The words "no limits" in print and braille]http://www.afb.org/nolimits

The moon system was created shortly after Braille in the early 1900's.  How about the fischburn (may have spelled that wrong) tactile system to assist people with difficulty using Braille to do labeling?

Where does this company get its facts about being the only company to develop a printer to achieve tactile graphics? Or did I read that wrong?  I am the first person to wish that I could read print directly with speed and accuracy. However, how could I reproduce this inexpensively and efficiently?  Everyone does not have use of a computer and all of the software and hardware that goes with it. This is why I am so opposed to not teaching the use of a slate and stylus to children learning Braille.  That's like not teaching sighted children to use a pencil and a piece of paper to at least print.  That's like using a calculator and not teaching someone to do calculations in his/her head.  I was an avid optacon user because I could directly read print tactually and even get a concept of the layout of the print on a page.
I'm now getting off of my soap box.

Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT CATIS
Visually Impaired Services
University Health Center
Detroit Receiving Hospital
Detroit Medical Center
Address:  4201 St. Antoine
Detroit MI 48201
Phone:  (313)745-4131
Email:  mbrink-c@dmc.orgmailto:mbrink-c@dmc.org

From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Carol Evans
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:54 PM
To: Susan Langendonk
Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org
Subject: Re: [AERNet] AER and the ELIA Frames Touch Font

It was the Moon Alphabet, and I'm older than you are!

Carol

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Susan Langendonk <susanlangendonk@gmail.commailto:susanlangendonk@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm dating myself and can't remember the name of an earlier tactile system, probably in the 70s or earlier. It was based on raised figures similar to this, but I don't think it ever really took off.  Today's technology would make producing a simple alphabet like this easier, but I still wonder about the population that would be able to get this as a usable system. If people were able to create the raised symbols themselves,  it would be easier for them to label and use daily. I can't see this being really viable for lengthy reading. That's the reason for contracted braille.

Just a few of my thoughts.

Susan

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 11:45 AM Ike Presley <ipresley@afb.netmailto:ipresley@afb.net> wrote:
Well friend and colleagues, I have jumped the gun and fired off an email before reading the rest of the articles in AER Viewpoint. It seems that they have also cited an article from Popular Science that brings out some other issues about ELIA. I have also been informed that a resolution on research ethics is being drafted for AER which will provide us some guidelines about what we provide in our organization's publication.

I hope my earlier message did not seem totally negative. As with most things there is a positive and a negative side and I would like to see our field discuss topics such as this, and the AER list is a great place to do it.

Ike Presley, TVI, CLVT, CATIS
National Project Manager
American Foundation for the Blind
739 W. Peachtree St. N.W., Suite 250
Atlanta, GA 30308
404-525-2303
www.afb.orghttp://www.afb.org/
We're creating a future of no limits.
Join us at www.afb.org/nolimitshttp://www.afb.org/nolimits
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From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.orgmailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Ike Presley
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:02 AM
To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.orgmailto:aernet@lists.aerbvi.org
Subject: [AERNet] AER and the ELIA Frames Touch Font

Hi All,

I have noticed the "Product Showcase" below in the AER Viewpoint for the past couple of weeks. I am curious if anyone has had the opportunity to work with this tactile reading system. While I think it has some interesting potential, I have concerns about its effectiveness and the promoter's use of inaccurate statistics on their website. A reporter form the Smithsonian interviewed me about ELIA. She asked if I knew anyone who had experience with this tactile reading system so I am reaching out to my colleagues in the field to see if anyone might help shed more light on the subject.

Please read the article, visit their web site and let's start a discussion about this topic.

.

PRODUCT SHOWCASE

[http://engine.multibriefs.com/s/333019/142703/2570/35418249?keywords=AERBVI042418&key=ipresley@afb.net]http://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2038&&&http://engine.multibriefs.com/s/redirect/333019/142703/2570/35418249?key=ipresley@afb.net

Coming Soon - ELIA Frames Touch Font Kickstarterhttp://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2039&&&http://engine.multibriefs.com/s/redirect/333019/142703/2570/35418249?key=ipresley@afb.net

The ELIA Frames Font, an alternative to braille for people who can't read braille, will be launched through a Kickstarter Campaign in two weeks.

Sign up for updates herehttp://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2040&&&http://www.theeliaidea.com/new-blog/. Or learn more about the ELIA Frames Font by clicking herehttp://strongmail1.multiview.com/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=2234324&messageid=2234324&databaseid=Mailing.DS234324.2234324.217215&serial=17854008&emailid=ipresley@afb.net&userid=60915141&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2041&&&http://www.theELIAidea.com.

I am also somewhat concerned about AER promoting this Kickstarter Campaign. Is this something that our professional organization should be supporting without input from the membership?

Thanks in advance for your input,
Ike

Ike Presley, TVI, CLVT, CATIS
National Project Manager
American Foundation for the Blind
739 W. Peachtree St. N.W., Suite 250
Atlanta, GA 30308
404-525-2303
www.afb.orghttp://www.afb.org/
We're creating a future of no limits.
Join us at www.afb.org/nolimitshttp://www.afb.org/nolimits
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