FVELMA
Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information.
With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not.
Amy
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these.
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well.
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On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net wrote:
Hi Carol,
This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs.
Thanks,
Rebecca
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Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA
Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI?
Thx,
Carol
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No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE
232A Graham Hall
DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information.
With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not.
Amy
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these.
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think that
conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the purview of
a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an authority on OTs, but
I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. Penrod,
Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education Northern
Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb,
IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well.
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On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net wrote:
Hi Carol,
This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs.
Thanks,
Rebecca
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Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA
Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI?
Thx,
Carol
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On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage.
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu wrote:
No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE
232A Graham Hall
DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information.
With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not.
Amy
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these.
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think that
conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the purview of
a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an authority on OTs, but
I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. Penrod,
Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education Northern
Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb,
IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well.
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On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net wrote:
Hi Carol,
This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs.
Thanks,
Rebecca
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Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA
Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI?
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Carol
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I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21.
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Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA
As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu wrote:
No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs
have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs?
There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org
Cc: William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu; Rebecca Sheffield
rsheffield@afb.net; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green
mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information.
With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not.
Amy
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these.
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Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think that
conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the purview of
a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an authority on OTs,
but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M.
Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall
DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well.
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On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net wrote:
Hi Carol,
This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs.
Thanks,
Rebecca
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Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA
Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI?
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As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE
232A Graham Hall
DeKalb, IL 60115
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To: William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu wrote:
No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs
have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs?
There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org
Cc: William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu; Rebecca Sheffield
rsheffield@afb.net; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green
mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information.
With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not.
Amy
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these.
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think that
conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the purview of
a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an authority on OTs,
but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M.
Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall
DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well.
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On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net wrote:
Hi Carol,
This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs.
Thanks,
Rebecca
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Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA
Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI?
Thx,
Carol
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Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result.
I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc.
Amy
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21.
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Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA
As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage.
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu wrote:
No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs
have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs?
There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information.
With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not.
Amy
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these.
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think that
conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the purview of
a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an authority on OTs,
but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M.
Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall
DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well.
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On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net wrote:
Hi Carol,
This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs.
Thanks,
Rebecca
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Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA
Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI?
Thx,
Carol
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Dear All, I can live with that! Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE
232A Graham Hall
DeKalb, IL 60115
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result.
I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc.
Amy
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21.
-----Original Message-----
From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu]
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM
To: Amy Hadley amywyogirl@gmail.com
Cc: Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org; Rebecca Sheffield
rsheffield@afb.net; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green
mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA
As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only
question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion.
Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM
To: William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu
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mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu wrote:
No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs
have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs?
There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
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From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org
Cc: William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu; Rebecca Sheffield
rsheffield@afb.net; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green
mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information.
With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not.
Amy
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these.
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Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM
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Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think
that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the
purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an
authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M.
Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham
Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net wrote:
Hi Carol,
This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs.
Thanks,
Rebecca
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Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA
Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI?
Thx,
Carol
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LMAs can only be done with someone who has a teaching certification and VI certification.
On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:17 PM, William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu wrote:
No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE
232A Graham Hall
DeKalb, IL 60115
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org
Cc: William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu; Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information.
With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not.
Amy
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these.
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think that
conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the purview of
a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an authority on OTs, but
I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. Penrod,
Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education Northern
Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb,
IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net wrote:
Hi Carol,
This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs.
Thanks,
Rebecca
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Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA
Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI?
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Carol
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I work with school children.
Would you use the CVI range as a FVE?
And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors?
Carol
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu wrote:
Dear All, I can live with that! Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE
232A Graham Hall
DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result.
I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc.
Amy
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21.
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Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA
As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only
question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion.
Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage.
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu wrote:
No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs
have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs?
There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information.
With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not.
Amy
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these.
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think
that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the
purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an
authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M.
Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham
Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well.
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On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net wrote:
Hi Carol,
This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs.
Thanks,
Rebecca
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Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA
Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI?
Thx,
Carol
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I would include it as one part of the FVE. I still would look at indoor/outdoor functioning. Visual functioning in daily familiar routines vs visual functioning with novel routines or environments. Look at visual motor and auditory skills as well as auditory/motor. Don’t forget the sense of smell, taste and touch.
On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:37 PM, carol green mommygreen69@gmail.com wrote:
I work with school children.
Would you use the CVI range as a FVE?
And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors?
Carol
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu wrote:
Dear All, I can live with that! Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE
232A Graham Hall
DeKalb, IL 60115
-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org
Cc: William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu; Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result.
I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc.
Amy
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21.
-----Original Message-----
From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu]
Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM
To: Amy Hadley amywyogirl@gmail.com
Cc: Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org; Rebecca Sheffield
rsheffield@afb.net; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green
mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA
As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only
question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion.
Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM
To: William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu
Cc: Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org; Rebecca Sheffield
rsheffield@afb.net; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green
mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu wrote:
No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs
have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs?
There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill
William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS
Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University
Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org
Cc: William Penrod wpenrod@niu.edu; Rebecca Sheffield
rsheffield@afb.net; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green
mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information.
With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not.
Amy
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach GerlachL@Spectrios.org wrote:
I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these.
-----Original Message-----
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rsheffield@afb.net
Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green mommygreen69@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think
that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the
purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an
authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M.
Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education
Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham
Hall DeKalb, IL 60115
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Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA
In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield rsheffield@afb.net wrote:
Hi Carol,
This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs.
Thanks,
Rebecca
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Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA
Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI?
Thx,
Carol
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