I have used the CVI Range and included acuity and ocular behaviors-they do not have to be exclusive. Look at all environments possible and different times of day and lighting as well as environmental distractions. Amy Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Jill C. Brown <jillbrown1@mac.com> wrote: > > I would include it as one part of the FVE. I still would look at indoor/outdoor functioning. Visual functioning in daily familiar routines vs visual functioning with novel routines or environments. Look at visual motor and auditory skills as well as auditory/motor. Don’t forget the sense of smell, taste and touch. > > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:37 PM, carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I work with school children. >> Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? >> And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? >> Carol >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, I can live with that! Bill >>> >>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>> Associate Professor of Special Education >>> Northern Illinois University >>> Department of SEED, CoE >>> 232A Graham Hall >>> DeKalb, IL 60115 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM >>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. >>> I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. >>> Amy >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >>>> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >>>> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>>>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>>>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>>>> >>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>>>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>>>> Amy >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> William Penrod >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Amy Hadley >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Rebecca >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> carol green >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>>>> Thx, >>>>>>> Carol >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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The CVI Range is a reliable and valid (Newcomb, 2010) instrument used to assess the functional vision of individuals with CVI. It is generally a stand alone evaluation of the CVI characteristics. However, if the individual has a significant ocular issue (not strabismus, mild refractive error…), the ocular version may be helpful. It is important to think about the fact that in GENERAL, if a student has an anterior visual issue that is primary, the CVI would likely never be diagnosed. Christine Christine Roman, PhD CVI Resources 25 Deer Spring Lane Allison Park, PA 15101 412-559-4431 croman@cviresources.com > On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have used the CVI Range and included acuity and ocular behaviors-they do not have to be exclusive. > Look at all environments possible and different times of day and lighting as well as environmental distractions. > Amy > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Jill C. Brown <jillbrown1@mac.com> wrote: >> >> I would include it as one part of the FVE. I still would look at indoor/outdoor functioning. Visual functioning in daily familiar routines vs visual functioning with novel routines or environments. Look at visual motor and auditory skills as well as auditory/motor. Don’t forget the sense of smell, taste and touch. >> >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:37 PM, carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I work with school children. >>> Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? >>> And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? >>> Carol >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear All, I can live with that! Bill >>>> >>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>> Associate Professor of Special Education >>>> Northern Illinois University >>>> Department of SEED, CoE >>>> 232A Graham Hall >>>> DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM >>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. >>>> I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. >>>> Amy >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >>>>> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >>>>> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>>>>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>>>>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>>>>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>>>>> Amy >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> William Penrod >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>>>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>>>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>>>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>>>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>>>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Amy Hadley >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>>>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Rebecca >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> carol green >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>>>>> Thx, >>>>>>>> Carol >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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Why is it that a kiddo cannot get range 9–10 for resolution in the area of light gazing/non-purposeful gaze? I have never been able to explain why that characteristic may be resolved but only gets ".5" credit. In addition to the rating scale there are other programs, such as Every Move Counts, which can be very valuable during initial or reevaluation. Kevin Kevin J. Hollinger COMS, M.A., M.Ed, NBCT FHSD Vision Program 636-851-6143 > On Apr 8, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Christine Roman <croman@cviresources.com> wrote: > > The CVI Range is a reliable and valid (Newcomb, 2010) instrument used to assess the functional vision of individuals with CVI. It is generally a stand alone evaluation of the CVI characteristics. However, if the individual has a significant ocular issue (not strabismus, mild refractive error…), the ocular version may be helpful. It is important to think about the fact that in GENERAL, if a student has an anterior visual issue that is primary, the CVI would likely never be diagnosed. > Christine > > Christine Roman, PhD > CVI Resources > 25 Deer Spring Lane > Allison Park, PA 15101 > 412-559-4431 > > > croman@cviresources.com > > > > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have used the CVI Range and included acuity and ocular behaviors-they do not have to be exclusive. >> Look at all environments possible and different times of day and lighting as well as environmental distractions. >> Amy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Jill C. Brown <jillbrown1@mac.com> wrote: >>> >>> I would include it as one part of the FVE. I still would look at indoor/outdoor functioning. Visual functioning in daily familiar routines vs visual functioning with novel routines or environments. Look at visual motor and auditory skills as well as auditory/motor. Don’t forget the sense of smell, taste and touch. >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:37 PM, carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I work with school children. >>>> Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? >>>> And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? >>>> Carol >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear All, I can live with that! Bill >>>>> >>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>> Northern Illinois University >>>>> Department of SEED, CoE >>>>> 232A Graham Hall >>>>> DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM >>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. >>>>> I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. >>>>> Amy >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >>>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >>>>>> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >>>>>> Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >>>>>> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >>>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>>>>>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>>>>>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>>>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>>>>>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>>>>>> Amy >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> William Penrod >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>>>>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>>>>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>>>>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>>>>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>>>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>>>>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Amy Hadley >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>>>>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Rebecca >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> carol green >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>>>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>>>>>> Thx, >>>>>>>>> Carol >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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Dear All, Thank you for your feedback. Have you ever had occasion to have completed a LMA when someone else did the FVE? If CVI is done as a stand alone FVE, wouldn't an ocular. FVE still need to precede a LMA? When conducting the FVE the student's performance gives information if I should consider the CVI range as well as how I will conduct the LMA. Carol Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2017, at 12:40 PM, HOLLINGER, KEVIN <Kevin.Hollinger@fhsdschools.org> wrote: > > Why is it that a kiddo cannot get range 9–10 for resolution in the area of light gazing/non-purposeful gaze? I have never been able to explain why that characteristic may be resolved but only gets ".5" credit. > In addition to the rating scale there are other programs, such as Every Move Counts, which can be very valuable during initial or reevaluation. > Kevin > > Kevin J. Hollinger > COMS, M.A., M.Ed, NBCT > FHSD Vision Program > 636-851-6143 > > >> On Apr 8, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Christine Roman <croman@cviresources.com> wrote: >> >> The CVI Range is a reliable and valid (Newcomb, 2010) instrument used to assess the functional vision of individuals with CVI. It is generally a stand alone evaluation of the CVI characteristics. However, if the individual has a significant ocular issue (not strabismus, mild refractive error…), the ocular version may be helpful. It is important to think about the fact that in GENERAL, if a student has an anterior visual issue that is primary, the CVI would likely never be diagnosed. >> Christine >> >> Christine Roman, PhD >> CVI Resources >> 25 Deer Spring Lane >> Allison Park, PA 15101 >> 412-559-4431 >> >> >> croman@cviresources.com >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have used the CVI Range and included acuity and ocular behaviors-they do not have to be exclusive. >>> Look at all environments possible and different times of day and lighting as well as environmental distractions. >>> Amy >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Jill C. Brown <jillbrown1@mac.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I would include it as one part of the FVE. I still would look at indoor/outdoor functioning. Visual functioning in daily familiar routines vs visual functioning with novel routines or environments. Look at visual motor and auditory skills as well as auditory/motor. Don’t forget the sense of smell, taste and touch. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 8:37 PM, carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I work with school children. >>>>> Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? >>>>> And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? >>>>> Carol >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear All, I can live with that! Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>>> Northern Illinois University >>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE >>>>>> 232A Graham Hall >>>>>> DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM >>>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. >>>>>> I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. >>>>>> Amy >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >>>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >>>>>>> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >>>>>>> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >>>>>>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>>>>>>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>>>>>>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>>>>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>>>>>>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>>>>>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>>>>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>>>>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>>>>>>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>>>>>>> Amy >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> William Penrod >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>>>>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>>>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>>>>>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>>>>>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>>>>>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>>>>>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>>>>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>>>>>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> Amy Hadley >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>>>>>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>>>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Rebecca >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>>> carol green >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>>>>>>> Thx, >>>>>>>>>> Carol >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. Go to the same address to access the list archives. >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> AERNet mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AERNet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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Agreed! Bill William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 -----Original Message----- From: Jill C. Brown [mailto:jillbrown1@mac.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 7:55 PM To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> Cc: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; AERNET <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA LMAs can only be done with someone who has a teaching certification and VI certification. > On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:17 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: > > No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs > have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? > There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill > > William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS > Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University > Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM > To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> > Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield > <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green > <mommygreen69@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA > > Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. > With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. > Amy > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >> >> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >> William Penrod >> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >> <rsheffield@afb.net> >> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think that >> conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the purview of >> a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an authority on OTs, >> but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall >> DeKalb, IL 60115 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >> Amy Hadley >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Carol, >>> >>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rebecca >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>> carol green >>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>> Thx, >>> Carol >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>> >>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>> >>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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I would not. I'm an old dinosaur, but I still use parts of Beth Langley's FVE (circa 1983) and the TAPs(2000) evaluation (Appendix G) and tailor it to the child's indoor, outdoor, familiar and unfamiliar (as appropriate) travel needs in both static and dynamic modes for near, intermediate, and far distance situations. The most important words in this narrative are "as appropriate". For the record, most of my FVEs we the result of collaboration with the certified teacher of the visually impaired (TVI). Admittedly, my focus is primarily O&M. I am well aware that there are newer improved protocols available, but when I/we are finished I am confident that we know what the child is seeing and a pretty good idea of the prognosis. CVI is very difficult because vision may fluctuate on almost a daily basis. No FVE should be conducted without a current "Eye Report" (In my opinion) and done by an examiner who is knowledgeable of visual conditions, etiology, and prognosis. For school age children, I suggest this is best done by a certified TVI. However, for adults this assessment may be conducted by CRTs and others who have the requisite training and experience. Just my thoughts. We all bring something to the table and I have found in a 40 year career that folks are best served when collaboration is the norm. Some of my best work was done with very involved kids when I collaborated with OTs and PTs. Just my thoughts and they are no better than anyone else's. Bill William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 -----Original Message----- From: carol green [mailto:mommygreen69@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 8:38 PM To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> Cc: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA I work with school children. Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? Carol Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: > > Dear All, I can live with that! Bill > > William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS > Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University > Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM > To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> > Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield > <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green > <mommygreen69@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA > > Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. > I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. > Amy > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >> >> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >> Bill >> >> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>> >>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>> >>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois >>> University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>> Amy >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>> William Penrod >>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Amy Hadley >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>> >>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Rebecca >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> carol green >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>> Thx, >>>>> Carol >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>> >>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>> >>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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But…please keep in mind that the traditional LMA was written for individuals who in general are not expected to have on going improvements in functional vision. I have seen many vision professionals take a child down the braille road if they are in Phase I because of the results of the LMA. This can potentially result in missed opportunities to use vision in pre literacy and literacy activities. All of the students that I know who are competent print readers would have “qualified” as needing braille as a primary learning media earlier in their development. Many parents have approached me with this concerning issue. They are not anti braille, rather, parents are seeking the most appropriate way for their child to access literacy. I believe this is a serious issue that like so many related to services for students with CVI, is too often approached from an ocular visual impairment point of view. Finally, I must say that in my experience, there are many TVIs and O&M Specialists who are excellent at addressing the specialized needs of students with CVI. There are also many who are not. I have found the professionals from Deafblindness to be the first and most passionate voice for individuals with CVI. I have also seen highly skilled individuals in other fields including PT, PT, and Speech/language. I continue to be confused by the ways in which students with CVI must find support from fields outside vision but I am grateful for those who have stepped up. The Perkins CVI Range Endorsement was born out of a need to find CVI qualified professionals who can support students, families, and educational teams. Christine Roman, PhD CVI Resources & Pediatric View Program 25 Deer Spring Lane Allison Park, PA 15101 412-559-4431 croman@cviresources.com > On Apr 9, 2017, at 11:46 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: > > Agreed! Bill > > William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS > Associate Professor of Special Education > Northern Illinois University > Department of SEED, CoE > 232A Graham Hall > DeKalb, IL 60115 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jill C. Brown [mailto:jillbrown1@mac.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 7:55 PM > To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> > Cc: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; AERNET <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA > > LMAs can only be done with someone who has a teaching certification and VI certification. > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:17 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >> >> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >> >> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >> Amy >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>> >>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>> William Penrod >>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think that >>> conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the purview of >>> a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an authority on OTs, >>> but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall >>> DeKalb, IL 60115 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>> Amy Hadley >>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Carol, >>>> >>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Rebecca >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>> carol green >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>> Thx, >>>> Carol >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>> >>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>> >>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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Thanks Bill-I appreciate your follow up. Also, I miss wrote PT & OT as just PT and PT…you get it I’m sure. So…it turns out that individuals with CVI do not have vision that fluctuates daily. Dr. Sandy Newcomb’s article on the reliability and validity of The CVI Range addresses that topic (JVIB, Oct. 2010). It’s actually fluctuations in the environment or the “condition” that change. Scores on The CVI Range are stable or improving-they do not regress. Neuroscientists have helped me understand the previously held myth about the “highly fluctuating vision” phenomenon. It is indeed untrue. Vision in the brain just does not work that way. Clearly, if a child has a seizure or is ill, vision will be affected…but this is also true of individuals who do not have CVI. Christine Roman, PhD CVI Resources 25 Deer Spring Lane Allison Park, PA 15101 412-559-4431 croman@cviresources.com > On Apr 9, 2017, at 12:14 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: > > I would not. I'm an old dinosaur, but I still use parts of Beth Langley's FVE (circa 1983) and the TAPs(2000) evaluation (Appendix G) and tailor it to the child's indoor, outdoor, familiar and unfamiliar (as appropriate) travel needs in both static and dynamic modes for near, intermediate, and far distance situations. The most important words in this narrative are "as appropriate". For the record, most of my FVEs we the result of collaboration with the certified teacher of the visually impaired (TVI). Admittedly, my focus is primarily O&M. I am well aware that there are newer improved protocols available, but when I/we are finished I am confident that we know what the child is seeing and a pretty good idea of the prognosis. CVI is very difficult because vision may fluctuate on almost a daily basis. No FVE should be conducted without a current "Eye Report" (In my opinion) and done by an examiner who is knowledgeable of visual conditions, etiology, and prognosis. For school age > children, I suggest this is best done by a certified TVI. However, for adults this assessment may be conducted by CRTs and others who have the requisite training and experience. Just my thoughts. We all bring something to the table and I have found in a 40 year career that folks are best served when collaboration is the norm. Some of my best work was done with very involved kids when I collaborated with OTs and PTs. Just my thoughts and they are no better than anyone else's. Bill > > William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS > Associate Professor of Special Education > Northern Illinois University > Department of SEED, CoE > 232A Graham Hall > DeKalb, IL 60115 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: carol green [mailto:mommygreen69@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 8:38 PM > To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> > Cc: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org > Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA > > > I work with school children. > Would you use the CVI range as a FVE? > And disregard acuity & ocular.behaviors? > Carol > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:00 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >> >> Dear All, I can live with that! Bill >> >> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:58 PM >> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> Oh I agree. My O&M program trained us in the same class at the same time as TVI cohorts. I have done a few but prefer when there is a TVI to do the LMA since I am not qualified to teach braille if that is the end result. >> I am very comfortable with teaching AT tool use for magnification. improved illumination, computer access etc. >> Amy >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>> >>> I guess the issue is wheather you are working with school age children or adults. TVIs do not for the most part deal with adults past the age of 21. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: William Penrod [mailto:wpenrod@niu.edu] >>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:48 PM >>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com> >>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: RE: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> As I have asserted, I find no question regarding FVEs, but I only >>> question LMA. They are two quite different skill sets, in my opinion. >>> Bill >>> >>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:18 PM >>> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >>> Cc: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; Rebecca Sheffield >>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> On my last look there are at least 10 different FVE approaches. I myself use a form or approach that best fits the diagnosis and the persons' function in their life stage. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:17 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>>> >>>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois >>>> University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>>> Amy >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> William Penrod >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Amy Hadley >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>>> >>>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Rebecca >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> carol green >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>>> Thx, >>>>>> Carol >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>>> >>>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>>> >>>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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I encourage folks to consider coming to The Pediatric CVI Conference in Omaha this June. It is a great meeting that includes speakers from medicine, education, OT, PT, Communication and of course parent perspectives. This group was founded by Dr. Skip Legge-a neurological ophthalmologist in Omaha. Christine Roman, PhD CVI Resources 25 Deer Spring Lane Allison Park, PA 15101 412-559-4431 croman@cviresources.com > On Apr 9, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Christine Roman <croman@cviresources.com> wrote: > > But…please keep in mind that the traditional LMA was written for individuals who in general are not expected to have on going improvements in functional vision. I have seen many vision professionals take a child down the braille road if they are in Phase I because of the results of the LMA. This can potentially result in missed opportunities to use vision in pre literacy and literacy activities. All of the students that I know who are competent print readers would have “qualified” as needing braille as a primary learning media earlier in their development. > > Many parents have approached me with this concerning issue. They are not anti braille, rather, parents are seeking the most appropriate way for their child to access literacy. I believe this is a serious issue that like so many related to services for students with CVI, is too often approached from an ocular visual impairment point of view. > > Finally, I must say that in my experience, there are many TVIs and O&M Specialists who are excellent at addressing the specialized needs of students with CVI. There are also many who are not. I have found the professionals from Deafblindness to be the first and most passionate voice for individuals with CVI. I have also seen highly skilled individuals in other fields including PT, PT, and Speech/language. I continue to be confused by the ways in which students with CVI must find support from fields outside vision but I am grateful for those who have stepped up. The Perkins CVI Range Endorsement was born out of a need to find CVI qualified professionals who can support students, families, and educational teams. > > Christine Roman, PhD > CVI Resources & Pediatric View Program > 25 Deer Spring Lane > Allison Park, PA 15101 > 412-559-4431 > > > croman@cviresources.com > > > > >> On Apr 9, 2017, at 11:46 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >> >> Agreed! Bill >> >> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >> Associate Professor of Special Education >> Northern Illinois University >> Department of SEED, CoE >> 232A Graham Hall >> DeKalb, IL 60115 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jill C. Brown [mailto:jillbrown1@mac.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 7:55 PM >> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >> Cc: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; AERNET <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> LMAs can only be done with someone who has a teaching certification and VI certification. >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:17 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>> >>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>> >>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >>> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some added information. >>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at their work and those that are not. >>> Amy >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions of these. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>> William Penrod >>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think that >>>> conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the purview of >>>> a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an authority on OTs, >>>> but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill William M. >>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall >>>> DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Amy Hadley >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>> >>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide training for conducting FVEs. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Rebecca >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> carol green >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>> Thx, >>>>> Carol >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>> >>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>> >>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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What are the details for the Pediatric CVI Conference in Omaha this June? Patrick J. Fischer Accessibility dot Net, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of Christine Roman Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 12:09 PM To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> Cc: AERNET <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA I encourage folks to consider coming to The Pediatric CVI Conference in Omaha this June. It is a great meeting that includes speakers from medicine, education, OT, PT, Communication and of course parent perspectives. This group was founded by Dr. Skip Legge-a neurological ophthalmologist in Omaha. Christine Roman, PhD CVI Resources 25 Deer Spring Lane Allison Park, PA 15101 412-559-4431 croman@cviresources.com > On Apr 9, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Christine Roman <croman@cviresources.com> > wrote: > > But…please keep in mind that the traditional LMA was written for > individuals who in general are not expected to have on going improvements > in functional vision. I have seen many vision professionals take a child > down the braille road if they are in Phase I because of the results of the > LMA. This can potentially result in missed opportunities to use vision in > pre literacy and literacy activities. All of the students that I know who > are competent print readers would have “qualified” as needing braille as a > primary learning media earlier in their development. > > Many parents have approached me with this concerning issue. They are not > anti braille, rather, parents are seeking the most appropriate way for > their child to access literacy. I believe this is a serious issue that > like so many related to services for students with CVI, is too often > approached from an ocular visual impairment point of view. > > Finally, I must say that in my experience, there are many TVIs and O&M > Specialists who are excellent at addressing the specialized needs of > students with CVI. There are also many who are not. I have found the > professionals from Deafblindness to be the first and most passionate voice > for individuals with CVI. I have also seen highly skilled individuals in > other fields including PT, PT, and Speech/language. I continue to be > confused by the ways in which students with CVI must find support from > fields outside vision but I am grateful for those who have stepped up. > The Perkins CVI Range Endorsement was born out of a need to find CVI > qualified professionals who can support students, families, and > educational teams. > > Christine Roman, PhD > CVI Resources & Pediatric View Program > 25 Deer Spring Lane > Allison Park, PA 15101 > 412-559-4431 > > > croman@cviresources.com > > > > >> On Apr 9, 2017, at 11:46 AM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >> >> Agreed! Bill >> >> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois University >> Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jill C. Brown [mailto:jillbrown1@mac.com] >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 7:55 PM >> To: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> >> Cc: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Leah Gerlach >> <GerlachL@Spectrios.org>; AERNET <aernet@lists.aerbvi.org>; carol >> green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >> >> LMAs can only be done with someone who has a teaching certification and >> VI certification. >> >>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:17 PM, William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu> wrote: >>> >>> No problem with that...indeed, you are highly qualified. But do OTs >>> have knowledge in braille, braille readiness, and conducting LMAs? >>> There is the only rub. Just my thoughts. Bill >>> >>> William M. Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS >>> Associate Professor of Special Education Northern Illinois >>> University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Amy Hadley [mailto:amywyogirl@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 12:11 PM >>> To: Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>> Cc: William Penrod <wpenrod@niu.edu>; Rebecca Sheffield >>> <rsheffield@afb.net>; aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green >>> <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>> >>> Occupational Therapist have extensive training and a low vision >>> speciality section for certification. I am both an OT and a COMS and am >>> considered highly qualified personal via the Dept of Education to >>> perform these assessments. OT's have been doing FVE in Neuro Rehab >>> settings as part of our regular evaluation process since WWII. Just some >>> added information. >>> With that said, like any profession there are those that are good at >>> their work and those that are not. >>> Amy >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Leah Gerlach <GerlachL@Spectrios.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have followed this discussion with interest, and I know that it >>>> applies to school age children. However both FVE and LME can sometimes >>>> be used working with adults A Certified Vocational Evaluator , CVRT, >>>> and Occupational Therapist (specializing in vision) often use versions >>>> of these. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>> William Penrod >>>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:56 AM >>>> To: Amy Hadley <amywyogirl@gmail.com>; Rebecca Sheffield >>>> <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> Personally, while the FVE aspect may be arguable, I do not think >>>> that conducting a Learning Media Assessment (LMA) is within the >>>> purview of a COMS unless he/she is also a TVI...I am not an >>>> authority on OTs, but I would remain skeptical. Just my thoughts. Bill >>>> William M. >>>> Penrod, Ed.D., TVI, COMS Associate Professor of Special Education >>>> Northern Illinois University Department of SEED, CoE 232A Graham >>>> Hall DeKalb, IL 60115 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Amy Hadley >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:30 PM >>>> To: Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>> Cc: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org; carol green <mommygreen69@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>> >>>> In some states Occupational Therapist and COMS do them as well. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Rebecca Sheffield <rsheffield@afb.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Carol, >>>>> >>>>> This all depends on state law/regulations. There is no national >>>>> definition of a "CTVI" or an "FVELMA." Our professional standards are >>>>> for LMAs to be conducted by TVIs; I believe that O&M programs provide >>>>> training for conducting FVEs. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Rebecca >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: AERNet [mailto:aernet-bounces@lists.aerbvi.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> carol green >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:53 PM >>>>> To: aernet@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> Subject: [AERNet] FVELMA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is there anyone else qualified to conduct a FVELMA besides a CTVI? >>>>> Thx, >>>>> Carol >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> You are subscribed to AERNet, The Association for Education and >>>>> Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired Listserv. >>>>> >>>>> To post a message to all the list members, send an email to >>>>> aernet@lists.aerbvi.org. >>>>> >>>>> Address list requests to: aernet-request@lists.aerbvi.org >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, go to >>>>> http://lists.aerbvi.org/mailman/listinfo/aernet_lists.aerbvi.org and >>>>> follow instructions to unsubscribe. 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